Counterpoint to all the Debbie Downers lately...

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

Too bad for you, I have quite high reading comprehension. It's why I tested in the top 1% of the country for my law school exams.

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Dude, seriously. Stop. I didnt wanted to engage with this thread, but you make yourself look stupid more and more by every thread you hop in. If you were really that great person, who have better things to do... why are you on the forum arguing with "trolls"? It seems you are not and actually... You are perfect embodiment of navy seal copypasta right now.

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

"Slay queen!" scenes do not work for me.

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Originally Posted by MagusMirel

Your Forum Account looks fresh. I suppose you started playing with Shadowbringers? So you missed out a lot to understand the Veterans.
My friends and FC, who are all Veteran players since ARR, have stopped playing FFXIV. They got bored of the recycled content. The nerfs and of course the lack of quality content.
It's not the the missing longevity alone, but also the poor effort of SE content lately.
There is basically nothing to do for someone who want's to play this game on a daily basis, because you don't have to invest your time in this game anymore.

This play another game menality is not good for an MMORPG, which is supposed to be a bit grindy to keep the playerbase busy until the next patch arrives.
That's how MMORPG's work to stay alive.

But the design decision from SE are safe and boring. They are catering players who don't actually play this game much, instead of catering the core playerbase who supported them from the start and still want's to enjoy this game to the fullest.

In my case, i feel stabbed in the back.

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This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

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Originally Posted by Sheriyana

This is an interesting thing to point out. They were so grateful to every 1.0 player who stayed with the game throughout 1.0 and on to ARR, and now it feels like they just don't care about the people who have stayed with the game for 10 years. Now they just want people to play for a day or two every 4 months and play other games in the mean time.

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Well they'll get their wish, seemingly. All that's left for me this expansion is no more than a few hours of content in 6.4. Then after that unless things take a turn for the better in terms of the abysmal writing we've seen in Endwalker, 7.0 won't be a definite purchase and my FFXIV journey may as well be over.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

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The fact that you think Magnai is representative of normal men reveals more about you and your own attitude in general than it does anything else, as does your habit of equating (what you personally find to be) attractive with being a worthwhile/ interesting character.

That you consider him attractive is something else entirely, and maybe something to take up with a therapist.

Hence why I have no qualms about calling out the state of Y'shtola. But by all means go forth and enjoy 10 more years of her. Just don't expect me to keep quiet about stuff like this being injected into the game.

You can have her, Krile, the atrocious femroe from the Myths storyline, all while using the Estiniens and Magnais of the world as jokes.

I will be playing FFXVI where this doesn't happen and I can enjoy heroines that take after Ysayle with Jill.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

"Slay queen!" scenes do not work for me.

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I don't know - the way I see it is that it was all about the approach. I mean, Magnai was pretty arrogant in his approach to her and had (at that point at least) done little to nothing to endear himself to either her or anyone else in the party.

Compare her response to Magnai's attempt to court her, which had all the subtlety and tact of train crash, to her response to Runar - whose approach was far more respectful and probably a by-product of the fact that he'd spent enough time around her to have at least some idea of how to act on his implied romantic feelings toward her.

I mean, I don't particularly like the way she humiliated Magnai, and have always felt that the 'Little sun' scene is highly overrated - but again, she barely knew him and his mouth was clearly in 2nd gear whilst his brain was still in neutral!

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

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That's...not the point of that scene at all.

The point is that Y'shtola could clearly see Magnai's rather...childish outlook when it comes to love and shot it down. Which has been a thing in his backstory for a long while now. He has always been written in a way where he is a strong warrior and a good leader. But his whole "Destined soulmate" belief on love has been called out as childish in lore for a while now. All Y'shtola did was basically be INCREDIBLY blunt about it. Which has also been a well established and built thing, that Y'shtola has no tact. She's brutally honest with most people, to a fault. Just look at who her mother figure was and that becomes really obvious.

If anyone tried to """Girlboss""" Magnai, it was Sadu. Who was picking at this deep wound to his pride as a way to goad Magnai into feeding her battle junkie need for more combat. Buuuuut...you can also look at this moment of trying to goad Magnai into a fight as Sadu having a respect for the big guy's combat ability and knowing he'll give her a really good fight. I wish they'd do more with Magnai, such as give us a quest that involves his 5 older sisters in order to give more clear context for WHY he has this outlook on love (Because they are a big part of it.) and even give him a moment to stand up for himself against them. But instead they treat him like the game's Yamcha...which annoys me. For many, many, many reasons.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

So be it. I call things as I see them. Whether it's down to our cultural differences or not it was very clear it was an attempt to put down men at the expense of elevating one of the worst female characters in the entire franchise.

"Slay queen!" scenes do not work for me.

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I don't have much love for the Scions but I'd say this is a huge reach. It's not about putting down men in general, just the classical "character with inflated ego gets humiliated" trope.

But in any case, is this really that important for you?
Your insistence on dying on every possible hill is your own downfall. Instead of choosing your fights, you try to argue all of your issues with the game, even those that are incredibly minor (and frankly impossible to defend like the Magnai thing.) The idea is noble but in reality with that attitude you lose permanently your chance of being heard when that truly matters.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

But in any case, is this really that important for you?

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Given how it's infected quite a lot of the franchises and media and I enjoy, yes. In any case if someone agrees or disagrees with my positions that is no one's business but theirs. People need to learn to write better stories and better characters.

I will continue advocating for stuff along the lines of Estinien/Ysayle or Jill/Clive dynamics while the little sun scene enjoyers are free to do the same. From my perspective its as if Lizzo was asked out by someone at Brad Pitt levels of conventional attractiveness and then she proceeded to pull a yas queen slay moment on him. Miss me with this.