Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

Viera's already a playable race. You just need to spend the 20k in the GC for the bunny ears. Though currently it's Gender locked isn't it?

Honestly even though I likely wouldn't play as one - I would rather they go for a more creative race that isn't just another human with animal ears/horns. (Says the generic miqo'te, I know...)

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Originally Posted by Altena

Honestly even though I likely wouldn't play as one - I would rather they go for a more creative race that isn't just another human with animal ears/horns. (Says the generic miqo'te, I know...)

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People need to accept the likelihood of that happening is more or less zero. When people say, "More unique," or, "More creative," in terms of a race, they're thinking of games like WoW or GW2 where you have races like Worgen, Tauren, Draenei, Charr, Sylvari, etc... races radically different in every regard from, 'Human.' What these players also forget, is that such races have a place in the setting of FFXIV. As Beast Tribes. Which are our enemies, not our allies. Ergo, they will be unplayable, at least until some future FF MMO that takes place a century or two from now (or even a calamity or two), in which everyone is friends cause of our efforts.

FFXIV is likely to keep getting, "Humans with <animal> ears and tails," for races. I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. Its the setting we have.

I'm not against Best Tribe glamours for those who want them though. I'd love to see a glamour system like that in general. Yoshi made mention of making Blue Mage into a Job/Class that isn't really for dungeons/groups. While I want Blue Mage to be an actual Job/Class like that, I'd be fine with an addition of Jobs/Classes which -can- be used for fun side content like gathering glamours from NPCs/Beast Tribes, or unlocking additional info about the setting.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Agree with this.



Then if this is the case why did they name the raid "Return to Ivalice"? I cant return to an Ivalice that I don't know. That seems pretty unnecessarily confusing.

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I saw in a article about its a member of ff xii team will do the raid ( story + monsters) with a ff xii temple . After idk if its true, there is nothing official at this moment. Maybe wait EU fan fest ?

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Originally Posted by RosaLunaCelestia

I saw in a article about its a member of ff xii team will do the raid ( story + monsters) with a ff xii temple . After idk if its true, there is nothing official at this moment. Maybe wait EU fan fest ?

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Already paid for and waiting on the next Fan Fest. :)
(That abes uniform, though \o/)
Last Fan Fest said that a XII member(I think the XII producer) is doing the story and raid design I believe and theres a famous monster designer (dont remember what he made) going to work on the monster designs for the Return To Ivalice.

I cant wait. :p

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

Already paid for and waiting on the next Fan Fest. :)
(That abes uniform, though \o/)
Last Fan Fest said that a XII member(I think the XII producer) is doing the story and raid design I believe and theres a famous monster designer (dont remember what he made) going to work on the monster designs for the Return To Ivalice.

I cant wait. :p

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Ah ok x3 EU fan fest should be the 1st i will pay :P

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Originally Posted by Vexander

...thinking of games like WoW or GW2 where you have races like Worgen, Tauren, Draenei, Charr, Sylvari, etc... races radically different in every regard from, 'Human.' What these players also forget, is that such races have a place in the setting of FFXIV.

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Well not as beastly as those guys in GW2 (forget the race name) and not as wild as the WoW universe either..

I consider Lalafells and Roegadyns quite "unique" and "creative".. Hell, even Elezens are as their body proportions make them a bit err, different.

I guess my point is the Viera in the concept art basically look like Hyurs with bunny ears, which we practically already have the option for if you wish to spend 20k in the gold saucer.

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As Beast Tribes. Which are our enemies, not our allies. Ergo, they will be unplayable, at least until some future FF MMO that takes place a century or two from now (or even a calamity or two), in which everyone is friends cause of our efforts.

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You misunderstand beast tribes pretty extensively. Not all of them are natively our enemies. Sylphs for example aren't, it's only the tempered ones.

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FFXIV is likely to keep getting, "Humans with <animal> ears and tails," for races. I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. Its the setting we have.

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Honestly I don't think FFXIV will get any new races for a very long time. I also don't really care if they do or not as I am content..

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Originally Posted by Altena

Viera's already a playable race...

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The bunny ears do not make a viera a playable race. You cant have bunny ears with another piece of headgear. Also the viera have slightly rabbit-like body..The bunny ears don't affect the body. Bunny ears also don't have hair like the cat ears do. They also do not hide the other races ears when worn.
http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...-constrain.jpg
If they did make other races look like this^ My wife would already be rocking a viera. xD

EDIT: Might be more accurate to say viera have more beast-like (hair line and nails for example)than to say they have a rabbit-like body.

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Originally Posted by Altena

You misunderstand beast tribes pretty extensively. Not all of them are natively our enemies. Sylphs for example aren't, it's only the tempered ones.

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Probably not the best example since the Sylphs tend to use their Glamour Magic to -appear like us- when outside of Little Solace, to interact with us. I imagine you could RP a Sylph like that if you wanted to. Moogles are another friendly Beast Tribe race, but they prefer to remain invisible and otherwise avoid direct interaction when possible as well. So, even when Beast Tribes aren't the enemy, they still don't want to interact with us, and go to lengths to either avoid doing so, or doing so in a way that we don't even realize it.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

People need to accept the likelihood of that happening is more or less zero. When people say, "More unique," or, "More creative," in terms of a race, they're thinking of games like WoW or GW2 where you have races like Worgen, Tauren, Draenei, Charr, Sylvari, etc... races radically different in every regard from, 'Human.' What these players also forget, is that such races have a place in the setting of FFXIV. As Beast Tribes. Which are our enemies, not our allies. Ergo, they will be unplayable, at least until some future FF MMO that takes place a century or two from now (or even a calamity or two), in which everyone is friends cause of our efforts.

FFXIV is likely to keep getting, "Humans with <animal> ears and tails," for races. I don't think there is anything wrong with that either. Its the setting we have.

I'm not against Best Tribe glamours for those who want them though. I'd love to see a glamour system like that in general. Yoshi made mention of making Blue Mage into a Job/Class that isn't really for dungeons/groups. While I want Blue Mage to be an actual Job/Class like that, I'd be fine with an addition of Jobs/Classes which -can- be used for fun side content like gathering glamours from NPCs/Beast Tribes, or unlocking additional info about the setting.

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While beast tribes do have a bad rap, I would have to say that A. you just made SE look bad in terms of "unique options" lol, I feel this is a good argument to Yoshida since he is a big supporter of looking at what others have done well. Of course that doesn't mean it will change, like the egi argument "can't be slightly bigger and grandiose cause MMORPG" meanwhile I can list off one MMO with quintuple the subscribers that does, and four other side MMOs but alas they didn't change it still (yet?). But B. I can recall building relationships with beast tribes to the point that I've set up networks and communications to other civilizations in a mutually beneficial way, so while there is some negativity it isn't permanently negative or unable to be changed.

So.. Yes beast tribes generally start out with "you're scum no one wants you" but so far they've all also earned their rights, the Vath are not slave people #VathRights. :P

Although the shape of the vath would make the changes in gear models incredibly different lol, I'm still thinking a new races part of a new region. Race of beings trapped in crystals, stasis, more void people, another plane like the void.. w.e, we can explain why they're new and can also add reason why they're accepted sooner like refugees or something. Sort of what happened with Au Ra except they went from different to "human plus fancy surgery".

Nop.

Not unless we got our giant amazonian bunny goddesses and manlets. The fem AuRa were already a mistake by making them look dead inside, submissive tiny waifus. Not again Square. pls.

This topic is still alive? I thought we ate all the bunnies.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

This topic is still alive? I thought we ate all the bunnies.

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They reproduce too fast. Balmung will become Bunnymung.

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Originally Posted by xJimmehx

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I'm really interested in seeing what they do with Return to Ivalice. I wonder if we'll see viera.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I'm really interested in seeing what they do with Return to Ivalice. I wonder if we'll see viera.

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How cruel would it be if they have Viera in the event but you can't play them till the next expansion.... :P

Like, cruel in a really hilarious morbid candy just out of reach way but still XD. That they're not bringing another race, likely only two jobs (or it seems), I really wonder if they going to bring in the same amount of content as last time in another way or if its just less content. Eh..

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Originally Posted by Vexander

They reproduce too fast. Balmung will become Bunnymung.

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Haha this got me.
I wouldn't mind bunnies tho.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

How cruel would it be if they have Viera in the event but you can't play them till the next expansion.... :P

Like, cruel in a really hilarious morbid candy just out of reach way but still XD. That they're not bringing another race, likely only two jobs (or it seems), I really wonder if they going to bring in the same amount of content as last time in another way or if its just less content. Eh..

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I'm not sure if Return to Ivalice is going to be a clever way to introduce a playable viera race into the game. I kind of doubt it. However, if Return to Ivalice is used as a sort of segway to bring viera to the game in 5.0, I would be extremely happy. Although it would be a bit of a tease to wait, I don't mind. I wasn't expecting a new race this expansion. I can only hope Yoshi p and the devs will consider viera for 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I'm really interested in seeing what they do with Return to Ivalice. I wonder if we'll see viera.

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I feel the better question is 'will they show the Ivalice races,' since Ivalice is more than just usamimi's.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I feel the better question is 'will they show the Ivalice races,' since Ivalice is more than just usamimi's.

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I don't care about the other races. This is why I said "I wonder if we'll see viera". Not "I wonder if we'll see all the Ivalice races".

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I feel the better question is 'will they show the Ivalice races,' since Ivalice is more than just usamimi's.

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I don't personally care about any of the other races besides Viera. Nothing I'd personally want.

I wouldnt mind beast tribes from Ivalice, but i dont really care to play anything other than the viera race.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I don't care about the other races. This is why I said "I wonder if we'll see viera". Not "I wonder if we'll see all the Ivalice races".

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Well if they show Viera, then they will have to show the other races.

Or they'll show none of them and stick with Hume's... or it won't even be the Ivalice we know from Tactics and XII.

Viera race for 5.0 ~ show ur support !

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Originally Posted by Nestama

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You're more than welcome to wonder if the other Ivalice races will be included in Return to Ivalice, but I don't particularly care about the rest of them.

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Originally Posted by RosaLunaCelestia

Viera race for 5.0 ~ show ur support !

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I seriously have hope for 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Senn

I seriously have hope for 5.0.

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Theoretically possible. Assuming they still intend to follow the expansion storyline of rebuilding the Eorzean Alliance, we'd be slated to head for the Sharlayan Homeland. That, or some more northern part of Eorzea where a new colony was made. Could be Viera are in either location.

Wish see stormblood show viera just at end like Aura or another way xd the new raid ( if i understand all) is alot years after Ivalice so hope viera survived :3

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Well if they show Viera, then they will have to show the other races.

Or they'll show none of them and stick with Hume's... or it won't even be the Ivalice we know from Tactics and XII.

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Realistically, they probably wouldn't do that because then it'll boil over to "Why can't we play as all of them?" and we all know the devs wouldn't go out of their way for it.

Viera is lame!

I don't want tall vieras. We have enough tall races with Roe, Elezen and Au'ra.

We don't have enough small races! Aside from the baby proportion lalafells that I cannot play and miqo'te which is more on the lower spectrum of a medium sized race, we have nothing childlike like FF9 Zidane and FF6 Gau and hell, even Alphinaud and the padjals.

I'm all for tall women but in term male characters... I'm tired of playing giants. I'm fine with my miqo'te at least.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Realistically, they probably wouldn't do that because then it'll boil over to "Why can't we play as all of them?" and we all know the devs wouldn't go out of their way for it.

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They can. They'll just have to deal with the threads showing up frequently for two or so years.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

I don't want tall vieras. We have enough tall races with Roe, Elezen and Au'ra.

We don't have enough small races! Aside from the baby proportion lalafells that I cannot play and miqo'te which is more on the lower spectrum of a medium sized race, we have nothing childlike like FF9 Zidane and FF6 Gau and hell, even Alphinaud and the padjals.

I'm all for tall women but in term male characters... I'm tired of playing giants. I'm fine with my miqo'te at least.

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While I'm all for shorter male options after the debacle that is Au Ra Males, I do not think Child-like Races are appropriate. Lalafells are a bit like gnomes. I could accept Dwarves but I can already foresee the backlash from people wanting to play muscular half-men with beards half as long as they are tall, and instead getting pretty-boys like Kili from The Hobbit.

If Padjal were, by some strange twist of lore, made into a playable race, I would hope to see them looking a bit more mature like Kan-E-Senna or female Au Ra, than the actual Hyur-Children we see from the others.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

While I'm all for shorter male options after the debacle that is Au Ra Males, I do not think Child-like Races are appropriate. Lalafells are a bit like gnomes. I could accept Dwarves but I can already foresee the backlash from people wanting to play muscular half-men with beards half as long as they are tall, and instead getting pretty-boys like Kili from The Hobbit.

If Padjal were, by some strange twist of lore, made into a playable race, I would hope to see them looking a bit more mature like Kan-E-Senna or female Au Ra, than the actual Hyur-Children we see from the others.

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Very true. There would be an uproar since it is simply impossible to satisfy everyone with just one new race...

But this is Final Fantasy, not WoW. Players are familiar with pretty boys from the many other ''main'' titles in the series. It would be silly to come here and expect dwarves, especially since the majority will never play that race here when they can play cat girls or man dragons.

I'll vote for the tall, strong Viera or no Viera.
Bonus points if they make it the invert of au ra, with the females being large and powerful, and the males being petite and dainty.

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Originally Posted by Hito-Shura

But this is Final Fantasy, not WoW. Players are familiar with pretty boys from the many other ''main'' titles in the series. It would be silly to come here and expect dwarves, especially since the majority will never play that race here when they can play cat girls or man dragons.

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And yet we have Roegadyn and Highlanders... and Au Ra men, I guess (though they really do need a muscle slider so they can at least match the race artwork).
Fantasy is also in the title. It's easy to imagine there being dwarfs in this game, as well as Viera and Beastmen glamour.

Funnily enough, Cid from FFIV kinda looks like a dwarf, yet he's a human. So I guess a third clan of Hyurs could be called dwarfs :T
http://i.imgur.com/PpXu3iQ.png

A third clan of Miqo'te could be called 'Viera' or... Dwellers/Caretakers of the Earth or something (they'll be different from the other Miqo'te, like Highlanders and Midlanders. Longer ears, taller, shorter tails).

Personally, I don't want viera to be the third clan of miqo'te. I would rather have viera as its own race.

Considering Yoshi-P's comment about them some months back (Miqo'te with rabbit ears or something), it's more likely for them to be a third clan than their own race.

Well they should think again about it or give a race can be loved by alot of people. The pb for them, if they do a race only few people choose it , it will be a waste of ressource. Viera is really wanted by alot of JP NA FR DE etc. Miqote or Hyrur cant looks to a viera. Gold Saucer items cant show u as viera when u wear them. Just a crown , double tail and cant wear anything else . We cant wear a hat with bunny ears, we cant have a bunny tail with all clothes. And u not looks a true viera. We need a viera race :3
Well, im not closed for a new race other than viera but if not my style i will not choose it :/

I'm not sure how I would feel about Viera being the 3rd Miqo'te Clan. Part of me would rather see SE try to differentiate Sunseekers and Moonkeepers more, visually, before adding a third clan that is entirely different from the other two in appearance. If Moonkeepers are supposed to be a bit more Wolfish, then that should be more reflected. Maybe a little larger than their Sunseeker cousins. Though I can't say the lore really supports a wolf-theme either. The Sunseekers suit a feline theme with lions considering how tribes are built around the Nuhn and then the Tias and all the females and such. With Moonkeepers, the males would need to be less outcast from their own clans and more integral to them, since packs have a male and female alpha each.

I'm not against Viera as a third kind of option for Miqo'te, but I do feel the existing race-Clans need more distinction between them before we could make a leap like that.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And yet we have Roegadyn and Highlanders... and Au Ra men, I guess (though they really do need a muscle slider so they can at least match the race artwork).
Fantasy is also in the title. It's easy to imagine there being dwarfs in this game, as well as Viera and Beastmen glamour.

Funnily enough, Cid from FFIV kinda looks like a dwarf, yet he's a human. So I guess a third clan of Hyurs could be called dwarfs :T
http://i.imgur.com/PpXu3iQ.png

A third clan of Miqo'te could be called 'Viera' or... Dwellers/Caretakers of the Earth or something (they'll be different from the other Miqo'te, like Highlanders and Midlanders. Longer ears, taller, shorter tails).

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I don't want to turn this into an argument for I highly respect your opinion! But allow me to defend my own point of view.

Fair enough. Dwarves or ''dwarf-like'' characters exists in the FF universe. I never said the contrary if you read my post. We're talking about a series who had characters Umaro, Cait Sith and Red XIII has characters.

But the thing is, weird and funny characters are support characters and NPCs. Not protagonists. My argument was from a story perspective, a designer point of view and statistics. Roegadyn and Highlanders are indeed playable despite lacking the physical traits of a typical FF game protagonist but look at the statistics. Despite me LOVING them and very much enjoying my friends playing them as them bring an amazing and fun diversity, I would never play one and same goes with the majority. Most want to be the typical FF hero and if FF14 devs are tasked to attract new players, they will create races that will please this demographic. If they wanted to implement dwarves, they should have done so at launch and not 4 years in, especially if they can only manage 1 new race per year.

All that to say that dwarves will never come out ever. It's too much a gamble and it's not enough to attract the majority of FF fans. That is why they'll go with the mainstream cute or cool stuff.

gimme gimme gimme, I want viera wooooo