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10-04-2011, 11:03 PM
Cicatriz

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Misread, you can "attach" a job to your class. So if you are a Gladiator 30, and just unlocked Paladin, you become a lv.30 Paladin, then you can take the job off, and be a lv.30 Gladiator again. Jobs are specs, not a whole new breed of classes.

Wow. That's not how I read it at all. It's hard enough with the vagueness from devs but we also have to deal with translations, sigh.
10-04-2011, 11:03 PM
AmyRae

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Originally Posted by Cicatriz

This is different than I imagined. So basically get a Class to 30 to unlock that Class' Job, which you will have to level up again from level 1.

I kinda thought they would unlock at 50 and start at 50, but that was all assumption. In any case, this makes it easier to get the Job you want and gives those who have already leveled to 50 something new to level.

Hold on, there. It's doesn't say anything about level 1. It doesn't say anything about leveling jobs at all. It just explains how you can start to "use" a job.

It would be unwise to insert your assumptions.
10-04-2011, 11:04 PM
Corrderio

I'll give Yoshida credit for trying to go an extra mile, but was stupid of him to advertise this if he was only going to communicate to the JP players over the live feed.
10-04-2011, 11:06 PM
Cicatriz

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Hold on, there. It's doesn't say anything about level 1. It doesn't say anything about leveling jobs at all. It just explains how you can start to "use" a job.

It would be unwise to insert your assumptions.

All we can do is assume, since like you said, all they said is "use."
10-04-2011, 11:08 PM
Mudd

Whether I understood or not, I saw some stuff and some things and I'm content. Everyone needs to stop being so negative.
10-04-2011, 11:11 PM
moizeus

yeah I was like. """"yeah not gonna watch it"
10-04-2011, 11:11 PM
Denmo

They had a twitter feed posting the Q&A's in English as fast as they could get them out. What more could you expect? It's a live event for Japan. These aren't magical gnomes. This is a Japanese game, with a Japanese dev team.

This entire topic, and all you complainers just make me feel bad for being American. It's like you feel entitled to everything and just complain when it doesn't go the way you expected.
10-04-2011, 11:12 PM
Corrderio

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Originally Posted by Denmo

They had a twitter feed posting the Q&A's in English as fast as they could get them out. What more could you expect? It's a live event for Japan. These aren't magical gnomes. This is a Japanese game, with a Japanese dev team.

Then put them in an official Q and A instead of advertising a feed on the english section of the site that's only in japanese?
10-04-2011, 11:14 PM
Agoven

Yoshida mentioned that jobs will be advanced via quests and achievements not via leveling.
10-04-2011, 11:15 PM
Denmo

Why can't I give thumbs down to people? WHY?
10-04-2011, 11:16 PM
Armok

Well the problem is that it wasn't said that the live event would be in japanese.

They said they picked a time to do the event that would fit everyone, you would only assume it would
have some english in it.

I'm grateful for the twitter feed, but why promote the live video event to non-japanese people. People wait around for a long time for things like this. If we were told translations would be done via twitter, it would be all good.

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Originally Posted by Denmo

They had a twitter feed posting the Q&A's in English as fast as they could get them out. What more could you expect? It's a live event for Japan. These aren't magical gnomes. This is a Japanese game, with a Japanese dev team.

This entire topic, and all you complainers just make me feel bad for being American. It's like you feel entitled to everything and just complain when it doesn't go the way you expected.
10-04-2011, 11:17 PM
Fated

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Originally Posted by Denmo

They had a twitter feed posting the Q&A's in English as fast as they could get them out. What more could you expect? It's a live event for Japan. These aren't magical gnomes. This is a Japanese game, with a Japanese dev team.

This entire topic, and all you complainers just make me feel bad for being American. It's like you feel entitled to everything and just complain when it doesn't go the way you expected.

It makes me feel bad to be an American when people like you will defend anything they feel like just because "dur I can lul."

They shouldn't have bothered advertising the live event if they had no interest in translating the live event. You can read a twitter feed whenever the hell you want to, you don't have to wake up at 5 AM for it.
10-04-2011, 11:17 PM
Onidemon

the first broadcast was at 5:00 a.m. PDT.... I'm in Canada Montreal so that's 2 AM in the morning! Thanks SE, you could have just said that this live letter was not meant for NA players... well like everything else you guys do.

Am i wrong to assume this but isn't NA a much bigger market then Japan? Maybe we need a bit more attention here?
10-04-2011, 11:17 PM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Denmo

They had a twitter feed posting the Q&A's in English as fast as they could get them out. What more could you expect? It's a live event for Japan. These aren't magical gnomes. This is a Japanese game, with a Japanese dev team.

This entire topic, and all you complainers just make me feel bad for being American. It's like you feel entitled to everything and just complain when it doesn't go the way you expected.

Yeah, I think a lot of people forget that English companies does this all the time and later do other regions tend to get the transcript or the 'dubbed version' or not get it at all.
10-04-2011, 11:19 PM
Denmo

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Originally Posted by Armok

Well the problem is that it wasn't said that the live event would be in japanese.

They said they picked a time to do the event that would fit everyone, you would only assume it would
have some english in it.

I'm grateful for the twitter feed, but why promote the live video event to non-japanese people. People wait around for a long time for things like this. If we were told translations would be done via twitter, it would be all good.

They never explicitly stated the interview would be in English.
10-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Cicatriz

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Originally Posted by Agoven

Yoshida mentioned that jobs will be advanced via quests and achievements not via leveling.

Not that I doubt you, but I haven't seen this in any of the interviews. Unless it was just mentioned on the live cast.

But I do hope you are right and this is the case. Makes more sense in terms of balancing as well.
10-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Fated

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Originally Posted by Denmo

They never explicitly stated the interview would be in English.

Lawyer at work, SE definitely needs you.

So basically, it's fine to advertise a live session to an English speaking community without having a way for that community to understand it other than a text summary that they can read whenever they want?
10-04-2011, 11:20 PM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Am i wrong to assume this but isn't NA a much bigger market then Japan? Maybe we need a bit more attention here?

So? Europe isn't as big of a market as America, nor is AU but it's still supported, should companies not support EU and AU anymore? Even though from what I recall AU gets the EU versions anyway.
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
Yujj

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Originally Posted by Gidonoidon_Sur

They say "hi" a lot, and bow so much lol. Cultural differences are big. Anyway, who is that third guy in middle?

It's not "hi" it's "hai" meaning "yes" xD
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
Betelgeuzah

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Originally Posted by Fated

So basically, it's fine to advertise a live session to an English speaking community without having a way for that community to understand it other than a text summary that they can read whenever they want?

Text summary that was translated in real time.
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
Denmo

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Originally Posted by Fated

So basically, it's fine to advertise a live session to an English speaking community without having a way for that community to understand it other than a text summary that they can read whenever they want?

They did, via the twitter feed, which was advertised the entire interview on the back screen in French, Japanese, German, and English.
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
Jinko

Next time SE need to set up their own page on the lodestone with real time translation tabs underneath the main video window.

Pretty sad that XIVpads put them to shame having all the info in one place.
10-04-2011, 11:22 PM
Fated

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Originally Posted by Cicatriz

Not that I doubt you, but I haven't seen this in any of the interviews. Unless it was just mentioned on the live cast.

But I do hope you are right and this is the case. Makes more sense in terms of balancing as well.

It's been stated NUMEROUS times in varying forms. Whether it be the letters or Yoshida's forum posts.
10-04-2011, 11:24 PM
Dubont

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

the first broadcast was at 5:00 a.m. PDT.... I'm in Canada Montreal so that's 2 AM in the morning! Thanks SE, you could have just said that this live letter was not meant for NA players... well like everything else you guys do.

Am i wrong to assume this but isn't NA a much bigger market then Japan? Maybe we need a bit more attention here?

5am PDT is 7am for Central Time...8AM for Eastern...2am? doubt it.
10-04-2011, 11:25 PM
Arcell

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

the first broadcast was at 5:00 a.m. PDT.... I'm in Canada Montreal so that's 2 AM in the morning! Thanks SE, you could have just said that this live letter was not meant for NA players... well like everything else you guys do.

Am i wrong to assume this but isn't NA a much bigger market then Japan? Maybe we need a bit more attention here?

Ummm... PDT is the west coast time zone, Montreal is GMT -5 (Eastern) which is actually 3 hours ahead not behind. The video started at 8:00 AM EST/GMT-5.
10-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Next time SE need to set up their own page on the lodestone with real time translation tabs underneath the main video window.

Pretty sad that XIVpads put them to shame having all the info in one place.

Was also pretty sad that SE posted the info on Twitter pretty quickly as well...oh wait they did have a spot of Translations as they stated they would.
10-04-2011, 11:26 PM
Abriael

They provided a translation. That's all there's to it. You can whine as much as you want.
10-04-2011, 11:27 PM
Onidemon

To me it seem like SE's priority is Japanese players. in NA we always get left over news and translated stuff from the Japanese forums. Whenever the staff answers a bunch of questions it's 90% from the Japanese forums. I never see anything that was asked on the English side.

So to all of you who keep asking for SE to add stuff to change this and that well try asking elsewhere...
10-04-2011, 11:27 PM
Gidonoidon_Sur

At first I was definitely "WTF" but the translations are posted on Twitter so no big deal. Plus I saw the images. So that is cool.
10-04-2011, 11:28 PM
Corrderio

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Next time SE need to set up their own page on the lodestone with real time translation tabs underneath the main video window.

Nah, better solution would be for Yoshida to do a recording then upload it once they have English/German/French subtitles finished. Would be far better than a stream live stream and lolTwatter.
10-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

To me it seem like SE's priority is Japanese players. in NA we always get left over news and translated stuff from the Japanese forums. Whenever the staff answers a bunch of questions it's 90% from the Japanese forums. I never see anything that was asked on the English side.

So to all of you who keep asking for SE to add stuff to change this and that well try asking elsewhere...

Yeah, you know, they ARE japanese. I know, how preposterous of them to talk in their own language and then HOW DARE THEY Provide a translation from that!

Wonder why, it's always the same people whining about the silliest things.

Panicking because the game is getting better and better and looking for new excuses to complain?
10-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Onidemon

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Originally Posted by Dubont

5am PDT is 7am for Central Time...8AM for Eastern...2am? doubt it.

sorry about that, i forgot i am 3 hours in advance and not the other way around. Thanks for the correction.
10-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Sav

I'm not sure what people expected. Were they supposed to have French, German and English translators on the screen with him translating everything he said?
10-04-2011, 11:29 PM
Jinko

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Was also pretty sad that SE posted the info on Twitter pretty quickly as well...oh wait they did have a spot of Translations as they stated they would.

That hardly my point, my point was it should have all been in the same place instead of spread across 2 websites.

It's not hard to throw a website together with a few plugins as XIVpads proved.

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Nah, better solution would be for Yoshida to do a recording then upload it once they have English/German/French subtitles finished. Would be far better than a stream live stream and lolTwatter.

Agreed that would have been the best scenario.

I don't even see the point of the video feed besides a few images which could have easily shown in a normal letter and with much better quality as well.
10-04-2011, 11:31 PM
Cicatriz

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Originally Posted by Fated

It's been stated NUMEROUS times in varying forms. Whether it be the letters or Yoshida's forum posts.

Ah, cool. I guess I must have missed it during my "catch-up" after being gone since a month after launch up until last week. I thought I had read every interview. xD
10-04-2011, 11:31 PM
Onidemon

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

So? Europe isn't as big of a market as America, nor is AU but it's still supported, should companies not support EU and AU anymore? Even though from what I recall AU gets the EU versions anyway.

Where did i say that they shouldn't support EU or AU or wtv? What im saying is that their focus is 100% Japan and the other markets which are much larger are being ignored.
10-04-2011, 11:31 PM
Denmo

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Originally Posted by Jinko

That hardly my point, my point was it should have all been in the same place instead of spread across 2 websites.

It's not hard to throw a website together with a few plugins as XIVpads proved.

Agreed that would have been the best scenario.

Make a suggestion and maybe they'll take note of it for the next interview.
10-04-2011, 11:32 PM
Jennestia

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

To me it seem like SE's priority is Japanese players.

To me it seems Blizzard's Priority is it's English speaking players.

To me it seems Bioware's Priority is it's English Speaking players.

To me it seems like Trion's Priority is it's English Speaking players.

To me it seems like Activision's Priority is it's English speaking players.

To me it seems like EA's Priority is it's English speaking players.

Huh, go figure that a company would actually communicate in their native languages mainly.

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Whenever the staff answers a bunch of questions it's 90% from the Japanese forums.

Whenever Blizzard answers questions about WoW or an update/nerf/buff it's almost always in English then translated to other supported languages, why is Blizzard favoring their English players?

See how silly this whole "favoritism" thing is?
10-04-2011, 11:33 PM
Abriael

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Originally Posted by Sav

I'm not sure what people expected. Were they supposed to have French, German and English translators on the screen with him translating everything he said?

They need to hire HIM. The Gran Turismo 5 Translator-san!
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile..._5079311_n.jpg
10-04-2011, 11:33 PM
Denmo

Wait you guys, are you telling me this game is a Japanese game?

I had no idea.

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