Fix Housing Megathread

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Absolutely not. They abused the housing system so they should suffer the consequences - and in this case, get screwed over because of their greed.

I mean, SE isn't going to properly fix the supply issue anytime soon, so the only other option they have is to forcibly release houses on people that are tying up more than their fair share of land.

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There was no abuse. They didn't glitch to do this. They just managed to afford several houses. Abuse implies some sort of exploiting.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

Gonna go ahead and stop you right there, since you're dead wrong.

<But I'm a hypocrite advocating for further abuse and oppression>

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It is when you're negatively impacting others. And stop trying to defend the indefensible.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

There was no abuse. They didn't glitch to do this. They just managed to afford several houses. Abuse implies some sort of exploiting.

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Given the restrictions, it's pretty clear that they did something SE did not intend them to do, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to pen what's on https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ .

You can keep deluding yourself that the restrictions weren't the original SE intention but SE naively thought people wouldn't get greedy and buy up wards then were forced to implement that policy once it became a problem due to lack of supply.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I doubt the grandfathered housing amounts to much. There weren't that many players with multiple houses when it went into effect and it's likely some of those houses have since
been relinquished.

The shell FC situation is a much bigger issue. It was nice to hear YoshiP acknowledge during the keynote that RMT and the other housing exploits are a problem they are trying to find ways to address but it was a shame they still wish to avoid an actual solution to the problem in favor of making new band-aids that will still get exploited.

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Until we have the SE stats (and not some third party site that may have doctored stats), we don't know what percentage of the houses are grandfathered in, what percentage of the FCs are FCs with less than four members (which is how many that's needed to sign it) or how many FCs have less than four active service accounts. I have a strong feeling that if stats of that nature were published we'd probably be shocked at the amount of FC houses that fall into the two buckets I listed, as all of those FC houses should be released back into the pool so a legitimate FC (or another player) can get a house they've been longing for. And while I doubt the grandfathered in houses are as big a chunk as the FC side of things, that's also something that should have never been allowed to exist in the first place, and SE should correct that mistake as I imagine SE naively thought most players would only roll one character, so there'd only ever need to be one personal house per server per account... and history has shown that not to be the case.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

It is when you're negatively impacting others.

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Abuse implies broken rules. So no, it's not.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

Abuse implies broken rules. So no, it's not.

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In this case, yes it is. Stop defending the indefensible obscene display of vulgar greed that flies in the face of the intentions of SE with housing, which has also bred MANY RMT issues.

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

In this case, yes it is. Stop defending the indefensible obscene display <hysteria>

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Sure. As soon as you stop acting like your "headcanon housing rules" apply to the player base at large.

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Originally Posted by Catstab

Sure. As soon as you stop <presenting your perfectly logical and reasonable arguments>.

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Ok... so why did SE write the restrictions listed at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ ?

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Originally Posted by Almagnus1

Ok... so why did SE write the restrictions listed at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ ?

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Those were implemented at some point during Stormblood. The people who bought tons of houses and got grandfathered in did so before these restrictions were implemented.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

Those were implemented at some point during Stormblood. The people who bought tons of houses and got grandfathered in did so before these restrictions were implemented.

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And that was a mistake on SE's part that should come to a (very long overdue) end... especially since SE is not properly addressing the supply issue.

Purchasing a number of houses, as much as it's super greedy and shouldn't be allowed in the first instance, was not the player's fault, but the developers.

Clarify your language about abuse. The player did not abuse what they were able to do, with the sheer amount of gil they had. That. Is. Not. Abuse.

The developer of the game not fixing it afterwards, That could be classed as a type of abuse.

Such arrangements are known as Grandfathering. It would have been better for Square to advise players to pick one property to keep, reimburse with their made up gil purchase for the rest, and put the others back into circulation.

It is an abuse to keep the status quo and not change it, I agree on THAT point alone.