So I can't play and tell with EU/NA/JP friends in ARR...

Really SE.. Really?

You can it's just a connection closer to you. However, if it is the way you say, no use complaining, NA players constantly stated they wanted their own safe haven and should "have the ability to play on an NA server because it makes sense."

I don't understand what your concern is.

Please elaborate more as your topic is vague and it seems as though your are lacking proper information.

There is nothing that says that all servers won't be able to play together, if you're referring to the "Multiple Data Centers" comment via Yoshi-P in the special talk session, then he's not saying we won't all play together. He's just saying that we don't have to put up with so much lag because instead of NA or EU players pinging all the way to the servers in Japan, they can ping to the one in their own region, making things faster for them.

If that's what you're referring to, of course, but I can't tell.

Thing is, in that same part of the talk session he also said we'd have the option to choose between a "server in our region or one overseas". That's kind of misleading, I think.

YoshiP in Special Talk Session was a bit unclear... They Talk about Multiple Data Centers and after he spoke of Regional Servers... Then, We still play together with lesser lag or we play in regional zone (like other mmo)?

I hope NO regional server. If you try to kill the game, yes SE, you're doing in the correct way.

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Thing is, in that same part of the talk session he also said we'd have the option to choose between a "server in our region one overseas". That's kind of misleading, I think.

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He basically said You choose a database center closest to you, and you will be still able to play with everyone you want to play with around the world. That's how I understood it.

Assumptions assumptions assumptions.

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He basically said You choose a database center closest to you, and you will be still able to play with everyone you want to play with around the world. That's how I understood it.

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That's the way I'd like it to be, but... if that's how it'll work, then what would be the point of giving us that option to choose between a "server in our region or one overseas"? It should be there by default. I wish they had been a bit clearer on that part.

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instead of NA or EU players pinging all the way to the servers in Japan, they can ping to the one in their own region, making things faster for them.

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That makes absolutely no sense.

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what would be the point

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Something was clearly lost in translation here..

Some clarification would be nice but I wouldn't expect anything for at least two weeks, then two weeks to correct the confusion of that clarification.

Yoshi already stated they arent changing the realms to avoid confusion, its pretty evident the regional servers are going to be mirrors that connect to who is closest while being global.

I think this is a bit of a translation issue since the fan translation said data centers and the SE translation said servers. I think we all need to chill out and wait for some actual clarification on the matter before we worry too much about this.

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That makes absolutely no sense.



Something was clearly lost in translation here..

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Do me a favor. Go to Speedtest.net and set your ping destination to "Tokyo", then do another test and set it to the city closest to you.

Afterwards, let me know the difference in how many "ms" your ping replies back to Tokyo and to your local area.

See if that makes it any more clearer for you.

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I think this is a bit of a translation issue since the fan translation said data centers and the SE translation said servers. I think we all need to chill out and wait for some actual clarification on the matter before we worry too much about this.

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Could be; but personally if I wasn't in North America; and I had a choice to not play on a server that contained some people from this forum. I would leave.

Some people aren't very tactful (myself included sometimes) but I find while the Japanese do complain they do so for the most part with respect and dignity; unlike the teenie-boppers on here.

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Yoshi already stated they arent changing the realms to avoid confusion, its pretty evident the regional servers are going to be mirrors that connect to who is closest while being global.

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I have no idea what you're talking about, so I will just smile and nod and go on my merry way. In retrospect though it wouldn't make sense to put so much work into auto-trans if they were planning on segregation. I would prefer segregation, as elexia pointed out it just makes sense. With the reduction of latency and the implementation of a better auto-translation function (which still needs much improvement), playing with Japanese won't be so bad.

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Do me a favor. Go to Speedtest.net and set your ping destination to "Tokyo", then do another test and set it to the city closest to you.

Afterwards, let me know the difference in how many "ms" your ping replies back to Tokyo and to your local area.

See if that makes it any more clearer for you.

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343 Tokyo
24 My city

Wouldn't there still be a total of 343 ping regardless of where these mirror servers are? I just don't understand :P and I don't really care.

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I have no idea what you're talking about, so I will just smile and nod and go on my merry way. In retrospect though it wouldn't make sense to put so much work into auto-trans if they were planning on segregation. I would prefer segregation, as elexia pointed out it just makes sense. With the reduction of latency and the implementation of a better auto-translation function (which still needs much improvement), playing with Japanese won't be so bad.

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Uhmmm let me clarify.
Yoshi said they aren't changing the realms (balmung will stay balmung, masamune will stay masamune, etc).
So if the realms will be the same, and your client will connect to a data server that's closest to you, it just means that your character will be handled by that server, but they all get pooled together. So nothing changes, just that you get no latency.

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Uhmmm let me clarify.
Yoshi said they aren't changing the realms (balmung will stay balmung, masamune will stay masamune, etc).
So if the realms will be the same, and your client will connect to a data server that's closest to you, it just means that your character will be handled by that server, but they all get pooled together. So nothing changes, just that you get no latency.

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So in other words.. there will be a slight delay for japanese PCs on my screen and there will be a slight delay for my PC on japanese screens?

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I have no idea what you're talking about, so I will just smile and nod and go on my merry way. In retrospect though it wouldn't make sense to put so much work into auto-trans if they were planning on segregation. I would prefer segregation, as elexia pointed out it just makes sense. With the reduction of latency and the implementation of a better auto-translation function (which still needs much improvement), playing with Japanese won't be so bad.

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They force segregation the game will fail, end of story. A lot of people like FFXIV, and by extension FFXI because you can play with people all over the world. I have played in multi-national linkshells all my FFXIV and FFXI career, and I love it, I have made a lot of friends in NA from these, and if I have the chance there are people I would like to meet across the pond.

I paticularly have a friend from FFXI who lives in NA and she wants to play come PS3 release, if I cannot play with her come PS3 release I will quit, and I will no longer trust SE. You might say "well join a NA server then" so what do I do most of my free time when I am playing on a dead server?

If they give us the choice I will join an international server (and hope there are enough who aren't xenophobes) FFXI worked well as an international MMO, so will FFXIV. A mix of international and regional servers can become a disaster for SE, if one of them is dead.

Tell me who would quit right now if SE said "We are only having intentional servers".

Now tell me who would quit right now if SE said "We are only having regional server".

I bet the latter would get more attention.

People clearly don't understand the concept of DATACENTER... has nothing to do with players beings isolated from other players. It just means that I no longer have to click a button and wait for the command to go to Japan before I get a response... BUT if for some reason I travel to Japan I can select to have my game connect to the data center in JP.

This message board has some of the most uninformed and over-reacting people I've ever seen... Goodness.

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I think this is a bit of a translation issue since the fan translation said data centers and the SE translation said servers.

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Even though you can very clearly hear Yoshida say DATA CENTER?

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They force segregation the game will fail, end of story. A lot of people like FFXIV, and by extension FFXI because you can play with people all over the world. I have played in multi-national linkshells all my FFXIV and FFXI career, and I love it, I have made a lot of friends in NA from these, and if I have the chance there are people I would like to meet across the pond.

I paticularly have a friend from FFXI who lives in NA and she wants to play come PS3 release, if I cannot play with her come PS3 release I will quit, and I will no longer trust SE. You might say "well join a NA server then" so what do I do most of my free time when I am playing on a dead server?

If they give us the choice I will join an international server (and hope there are enough who aren't xenophobes) FFXI worked well as an international MMO, so will FFXIV. A mix of international and regional servers can become a disaster for SE, if one of them is dead.

Tell me who would quit right now if SE said "We are only having intentional servers".

Now tell me who would quit right now if SE said "We are only having regional server".

I bet the latter would get more attention.

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You can't speak for the majority, but yes I can see where you are coming from. It is a selling point.

Nobodys cares if you want to play with jps (which i'm 100% sure YOU WILL NEVER EVER PLAY WITH)

We're getting WoW-Like bosses in 2.0, and these are NOT possible with a 300ms latency. I'd rather have these racists on their own planet than having to suffer from "why did you stand in the fire?" issues.

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Even though you can very clearly hear Yoshida say DATA CENTER?

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WTF does DATA CENTER mean? Do I look like I have any clue? Really come on now lol.

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Nobodys cares if you want to play with jps (which i'm 100% sure YOU WILL NEVER EVER PLAY WITH)

We're getting WoW-Like bosses in 2.0, and these are NOT possible with a 300ms latency. I'd rather have these racists on their own planet than having to suffer from "why did you stand in the fire?" issues.

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No the fire issue is in direct correlation with people being nabs.
^Sarcasm

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343 Tokyo
24 My city

Wouldn't there still be a total of 343 ping regardless of where these mirror servers are? I just don't understand :P and I don't really care.

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You are going across a path some random IT guy at your ISP wants to Tokyo, this is quite often a slower link, and its a public link that slows everything down.

If SE pools servers in Japan, EU and NA, you will be going through paths SE choose, which will be a lot faster, or if SE wants to you could be going across a leased line on SE's network just for FFXIV traffic which will speed everything up even more.

What matters here is control of the links.

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343 Tokyo
24 My city

Wouldn't there still be a total of 367 ping regardless of where these mirror servers are? I just don't understand :P and I don't really care.

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I'm guessing...

...*sigh* Nevermind...

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You can't speak for the majority, but yes I can see where you are coming from. It is a selling point.

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Pretty much everyone enjoys the fact XI and XIV are universal servers if only for the fact there's no dead air at certain time periods like in other MMOs which are regional servers only, you clearly do not enjoy them being international servers yet you chose to play a Japanese MMORPG, which is fine.

While yes Dataceters aren't "segregation", people are just showing concern even though it's just a mere connection booster rather than splitting.

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Uhmmm let me clarify.
Yoshi said they aren't changing the realms (balmung will stay balmung, masamune will stay masamune, etc).
So if the realms will be the same, and your client will connect to a data server that's closest to you, it just means that your character will be handled by that server, but they all get pooled together. So nothing changes, just that you get no latency.

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Im just slightly confused. Say im connecting to the NS server, and playing from NA.
Wouldn't the NA server still need to connect to the main server?
And wouldnt that give us lag?
Or is it going to be something in terms of ifrit's cracks being calculated by the NA server, and it only connecting to the main one to stay in synch?

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WTF does DATA CENTER mean? Do I look like I have any clue? Really come on now lol.

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So you don't know what it means or what it entails at all, but you still feel the entitlement to comment on it as if your opinion is imperative?

You say you have no idea what you're talking about, but you still think you should talk about it.

My head is spinning.

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No, I want a bottle of your product for free and then I'll be happy.

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Be careful, if you give me the chance I become rather addictive, unless u are elexia.

A data center or computer centre (also datacenter) is a facility used to house computer systems and associated components, such as telecommunications and storage systems. It generally includes redundant or backup power supplies, redundant data communications connections, environmental controls (e.g., air conditioning, fire suppression) and security devices.

That quote doesn't pertain to this conversation. Or rather, it doesn't really clarify anything.
EDIT: If anything it would suggest that there will be segregated servers (with the option to pick which ever one you want)

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Be careful, if you give me the chance I become rather addictive, unless u are elexia.

A data center or computer centre (also datacenter) is a facility used to house computer systems and associated components, such as telecommunications and storage systems. It generally includes redundant or backup power supplies, redundant data communications connections, environmental controls (e.g., air conditioning, fire suppression) and security devices.

That quote doesn't pertain to this conversation. Or rather, it doesn't really clarify anything.

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To put it simply, is a place where a large amount of information is stored. That can mean any data coming from the internet, data from offline, etc etc.

When were talk about the internet, the data Center can link to another data center of course all data has a center point. ( Center point being Japan location of FFXIV Servers), but when you connect to say NA data center (server) which is closest to me. I can still play with the people of Japan because that data center is linked to the data center in Japan.

That's how I understood Data Centers. Correct me if I'm wrong though, so I can understand it 100%.

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To put it simply, is a place where a large amount of information is stored. That can mean any data coming from the internet, data from offline, etc etc.

When were talk about the internet, the data Center can link to another data center of course all data has a center point. ( Center point being Japan location of FFXIV Servers), but when you connect to say NA data center (server) which is closest to me. I can still play with the people of Japan because that data center is linked to the data center in Japan.

That's how I understood Data Centers. Correct me if I'm wrong though, so I can understand it 100%.

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Wasting your words on this poor person. He doesn't want to understand. He's doing no research or not attempting to ask any questions to try and clarify his lack of understanding.

He doesn't want to know about what's going on. Let him complain. He's basking in ignorance.

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Wasting your words on this poor person. He doesn't want to understand. He's doing no research or not attempting to ask any questions to try and clarify his lack of understanding.

He doesn't want to know about what's going on. Let him complain. He's basking in ignorance.

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:D

Also, yes, Data Centers are basically "regional servers" but only in the sense you'll access the data from them rather than the Japanese servers.

So pretty much costs more, but provides same service to us with additional bonus of low ms?
Thank you SE for caring enough to spend money on server speed :-)

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Wasting your words on this poor person. He doesn't want to understand. He's doing no research or not attempting to ask any questions to try and clarify his lack of understanding.

He doesn't want to know about what's going on. Let him complain. He's basking in ignorance.

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Well, I thought I get my Explaination out reguardless to see if even I understand it :p.

Common guys, it's not rocket science.

They will add new servers all around the world that will be some kind of relays between you and Japan.

I don't think there's anything else to understand.

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Common guys, it's not rocket science.

They will add new servers all around the world that will be some kind of relays between you and Japan.

I don't think there's anything else to understand.

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It's mostly fear of not being able to play with friends if it was separating players (not the case), example the OP's fear, and hope of separating players that some other people always wanted.

It wasn't even lost in translation, it's just people interpreting it their own way really.

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Common guys, it's not rocket science.

They will add new servers all around the world that will be some kind of relays between you and Japan.

I don't think there's anything else to understand.

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They will add new servers all around the world that will be some kind of relays between you and Japan.

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some kind of relays

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relays

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poor person

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OHHH WOE IS ME :P

EDIT: I've learnt something today and I didn't even have to work for it. So really, I've come out ahead I believe.

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It wasn't even lost in translation, it's just people interpreting it their own way really.

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This happens on a regular basis really, within this community. I'm sure it's not a coincidence.

Square Enix Translators:

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HMMMM,
How could I possibly make this translation any more ambiguous?

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YoshiP in Special Talk Session was a bit unclear... They Talk about Multiple Data Centers and after he spoke of Regional Servers... Then, We still play together with lesser lag or we play in regional zone (like other mmo)?

I hope NO regional server. If you try to kill the game, yes SE, you're doing in the correct way.

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Please grow up. Regional servers is actually a move many of us would appreciate, but that's not even what they're doing. Even so they already said there isn't going to be any restrictions on what realm you can roll on, so there'd be nothing stopping you from rolling on the same realm with all your friends.