100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Dallas]

While I agree that aby has not been kind to some jobs, it's hardly a balance for them to have -100% pdt...personal feelings aside, that takes away the challenge doesn't it?

You're talking about the 3 jobs that no one wants to invite because you can't buff pets. Get over in my pet adjustment thread and re-rail it so that pet jobs don't *have* to receive special treatment.

That goes for all the anti-solo crowd. We solo because SE made us solo.

[Glamdring]

@OP: Did you really stand in abyssea for 60 mins watching someone solo a mob? Really? Really!?! Sweet zombie Jeebus.

If you did, I really have no sympathy. When my ls goes into abyssea with a plan and there's people already fighting the nm we planned on fighting, we go somewhere else. You wasted your own time waiting around for what you probably hoped would be a free nm if the bst died (and let's face it, you probably did think the bst was going to die). If you don't have a plan b or c or q, that's your own fault.

Sure, high pet pdt- may seem ridiculous, but the whole premise of abyssea seems to based on doing broken, ridiculous things. The most ridiculous thing about abyssea? The fact that there's 9 friggin zones filled with natural mobs and not one is charmable. Bst's natural ability is completely useless in 9 friggin zones. But i guess if even if we did have our natural ability in abyssea, you would steal the mob on a pet swap or complain in here if there was a party of bsts continually tossing pets at it.

Honestly, you don't even need DG to kill most things in abyssea if you're a bst. DG is the poor man's route. If you can continuously supply yourself with dippers, have 2 pet eva axes and eva atams, you can pull off a lot of the same stuff with mounted champion and pet food. The same dangers apply: DOT and casters. If you ran into a bst taking out an nm this way, would you be calling for a nerf too?

So much hate on bsts here. I believe it's horribly inefficient to solo nms without procs if you're actually wanting seals and I've sat through dncs, nins, and thfs do this. It sucks sitting on the sidelines waiting. I'm not one to call for a nerf against other jobs, but seriously, in zones where characters are practically godlike, if you take this away from bst and pup ( i guess, never seen the soling you're talking about but if its whm puppet and a pup meleeing how is this different than whm and mnk?), its only fair you give all these nms capped acc so evasion jobs can't solo them either. Let me clear, I don't want any job to be nerfed but if you're going to ban one job from the playground, you may as well ban everyone.

actually, the eva route is generally superior, -pdt does nothing for magic, evasion works on both, ask a thf, dnc, mnk, nin tank. This is also why bst don't solo the cast heavy NMs, aside from the proc issue our beloved -pdt set (which is so beloved I've never botherred to make one) is useless in the face of a mob with MP. The OP is simply trying to have their own inadequacy as a player addressed by nerfing any job that they could level to the same capability in a week, but are either too lazy or unskilled as a player to do.

honestly, this kind of garbage post is why we need a /blist feature on the forums.

[Greatguardian]

Wait, what? You can evade magic?

News to me (a Mnk, Nin tank)

[Glamdring]

I've always wondered why people had so many problems or I should should say misconceptions with bst. Mind you Ive only been playing since right around when SE completed the ToAU mission line, so I don't know how bad the bst mpk issue (or so called) used to be. I do know I've met people within the past 2 yrs that still think bst pets siphon xp from a party. And these were jug pets they were referring to lol. Anyway I still stand by "working as intended" until a SE representative or community rep says different.

FYI, bst MPK was almost non-existent since it was an automatic trip to Mordion Gaol. The actual MPK was generally noobs taking on too much zoning mobs into crowds seeking but standing too close to a zone line. Been a beast as my main job since August of 2002 iirc, only MPK'd once but the jag had just made a racist remark that offended me (and I'm not a member of the race in question). He said he'd have me sent to jail for the MPK, I said I'd have him banned for the chat log. I was never reported. Honestly, it was a total non-issue.

[Glamdring]

Wait, what? You can evade magic?

News to me (a Mnk, Nin tank)

played with the usual shadows route, yes. There is also both +magic acc and -magic acc gear. Noone ever uses it because other stuff works better, so magic acc is a largely ignored trait in the game; everyone is more worried about MAB anyway. But I was actually referring to those jobs ability to solo casting mobs, something bst is sorely lacking in, which is why -pdt is not the end all/be all this post seems to claim it is. Certainly, pet jobs (especially smn) can take advantage of most NM's fixation on a single element by using a resistant pet. There are also element specific Atma that are godly in these situations but noone uses them because they might lower their single hit damage numbers.

Seriously, it's not pets that are broken, it's the entire Abyssea system and what it's done to skilled play. Outside of bard, I think every single job at 90 with a few atma under its belt can solo some NMs-and I got a couple my bard might just try... none of them can solo everything... unless they brew it. THAT is what's messed up.

This game was built around the party/alliance system with a few jobs that were able to situationally solo some mobs. Beast arguably had the widest utility as a solo, and it was a good thing since we couldn't get a party invite without a bribe. Until the recent introduction of EZ mode into every aspect of the game however, people weren't complaining that every job needs to be a solo master. All along tho' clever players were able to do things that were arguably never intended to be within a job's capabilities. The most obvious has always been ninja, long contended to be a puller/light DD, but adapted into a blink (and now blink/eva) tank role by playstyle.

What's really interesting in all of this to me is the OP complains of a beast soloing the NM for 60 minutes. I wonder what their contention would have been if the beast complained of having to stand there and watch the OP's group monopolize the spawn for repeated fights for 90-120 minutes?

[Ilax]

The OP is simply trying to have their own inadequacy as a player addressed by nerfing any job that they could level to the same capability in a week, but are either too lazy or unskilled as a player to do.

Ok your a funny clown, so i am lazy or unskilled bc i point a unfair -100% PDT, try harder.

[Ilax]

What's really interesting in all of this to me is the OP complains of a beast soloing the NM for 60 minutes. I wonder what their contention would have been if the beast complained of having to stand there and watch the OP's group monopolize the spawn for repeated fights for 90-120 minutes?

We kill 1 NM before him, do i need to tell you how it ended to be the only one too? We moved to Bennu and dragua, do this make -100% PDT more fair, i doubt, still fun how it derail just to win again something that is clearly broken in the game. If it was so much fair, DEV would allow SMN to do the same thing, and let be serious here, who care abotu SMN with -100% PDT when they HS for 3~5k dmg? No way smn would have hold anything.

Question is how ppl like you guy end to think this is fair or so right?

[Malamasala]

Question is how ppl like you guy end to think this is fair or so right?

Well, try and play a pet job and you'll see why we think it is fair. There are so many issues with pet jobs that are negative, that we think it is just a minor treat to get positive effects like 100% PDT.

Take for example spirits.... broken since 2003... is it fair to leave a job broken near a decade?
Or take charm... you haven't had much to charm since around 2003 as well, since all new monsters and endgame areas are no-charm. (You get occasional new low level exp mobs to charm it seems though)
How about silena over cure puppet AI? Should have been done 5 years ago, and still is bugged.

Even if I got Astral Flow on a 10 min timer, I'd feel gimp due to all pet restrictions SE has left in their update path. (Like how the AOE range of Astral Flow is like 5' anyway so monsters need to be standing on top of the avatar to be hit)

Fix the problems first, then come around and remove the "positive" bugs that make us able to solo.

[GlobalVariable]

let be serious here, who care abotu SMN with -100% PDT when they HS for 3~5k dmg? No way smn would have hold anything.

So its only "BS" when you had to wait right? You were crying about how unfair it is yet suddenly its ok for a job if they can do it faster. Beef up rage mode to ignore pdt add flee etc and add it to all abyssea NMs instead of singling out and nerfing one or two jobs.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You guy just love derail it, my post was clearly talking about 2 thing...

-100% PDT + holding NM.

I would hate as much PLD if it was the job that get -100% PDT, Sorry but stop get me wrong.

Um... claiming a disgust against PDT and "holding" are different topics. You were not arguing holding nor claiming the guy you stood and watched for 60min was holding as no other people eventualy came to assist him. You're bluring your own topic with that statement.

Wait, what? You can evade magic?

News to me (a Mnk, Nin tank)

My Aquillo has a magic eva aug. ^^