100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Heady]

I've always wondered why people had so many problems or I should should say misconceptions with bst. Mind you Ive only been playing since right around when SE completed the ToAU mission line, so I don't know how bad the bst mpk issue (or so called) used to be. I do know I've met people within the past 2 yrs that still think bst pets siphon xp from a party. And these were jug pets they were referring to lol. Anyway I still stand by "working as intended" until a SE representative or community rep says different.

[Greatguardian]

Now you are changing your tune, you said all damage before, now just all physical damage. you really have to see how little physical damage is the challenge for nm's the whm mnk duo shows this.

Its really not even close to what was happening w/ summoners.

First, avatars got 100% -pdt at 100% health. They were not receiving the detrimental effects of the atma.
Second, Avatars used 1x atma for this, the rest could be dedicated to damage.
Third, Avatars have the elemental resistance as well. When bst make a 100% pdt pet, its very hard to kill something. you have a good tank, but you really need to get in there and melee to kill it. you are vulnerable to AoE. hate reset etc.

I don't buy it that you don't care about the application. You've argued too long in this thread for that to be true anymore. Part of bst pet pdt seems to offend you. I don't understand why.
The only flood of tears I see is from the OP. It would be sad if this got nerfed because of his tears, but I don't think that will happen.

Hm? I haven't been arguing about pet PDT for the majority of my posts. Merely the crappy attitude a lot of people on both sides were showing. I've made maybe 2 or 3 posts in this thread pertaining to PDT and I've been fairly stoic in all of them.

Also, eliminating all Physical damage is pretty much the same as eliminating all damage on a fair amount of NMs. I haven't changed my tune on this issue at all. And no, Magical Damage is not really a "bigger deal" for MNK+WHM duos considering that's how I do pretty much everything in Abyssea. Mnk+Whm takes a lot of damage, you simply have the caveat that you can heal pretty much infinitely as long as you're not one-shotted.

The only bit in this thread that offended me was the "Woe is us, Bst needs 100% PDT because no one likes us or lets us do anything else" bullcrap. Pet PDT on its own doesn't affect me at all. However, you can't really deny the wave of tears if this gets nerfed. Just look at Puppetmaster and their Burrs.

[Xilk]

Hm? I haven't been arguing about pet PDT for the majority of my posts. Merely the crappy attitude a lot of people on both sides were showing. I've made maybe 2 or 3 posts in this thread pertaining to PDT and I've been fairly stoic in all of them.

Also, eliminating all Physical damage is pretty much the same as eliminating all damage on a fair amount of NMs. I haven't changed my tune on this issue at all. And no, Magical Damage is not really a "bigger deal" for MNK+WHM duos considering that's how I do pretty much everything in Abyssea. Mnk+Whm takes a lot of damage, you simply have the caveat that you can heal pretty much infinitely as long as you're not one-shotted.

The only bit in this thread that offended me was the "Woe is us, Bst needs 100% PDT because no one likes us or lets us do anything else" bullcrap. Pet PDT on its own doesn't affect me at all. However, you can't really deny the wave of tears if this gets nerfed. Just look at Puppetmaster and their Burrs.

Fair enough. I don't think "woe unto me" or any such thing. I don't know how to tell you how much a difference the other damage types, abilities and such mitigate the advantage. You would have to try it.

I think 100% pdt is situationally very useful and it would be a shame to lose it. I don't think it is any more unbalancing than anything else in abyssea. :O)

[Malamasala]

I think the problem is that some people are so selfish and dumb that they'd go solo a NM for 60+ min instead of find some party members and do it in 10 mins x 6.

I don't even want to solo NMs on my SMN because it takes too long and you usually get nothing from it due to lack of triggers.

All we need is an update that bans all idiots.

[Greatguardian]

All we need is an update that bans all idiots.

Goodbye 95% of the game population.

[Valmur]

More QQ fest. grow up and do something else.

[Aldersyde]

Fair enough. I don't think "woe unto me" or any such thing. I don't know how to tell you how much a difference the other damage types, abilities and such mitigate the advantage. You would have to try it.

I think 100% pdt is situationally very useful and it would be a shame to lose it. I don't think it is any more unbalancing than anything else in abyssea. :O)

This. So much this.

People feel so entitled just because they enter an abyssea zone and drop some stones. Think back to the lesson you should have learned in kindergarten and either wait your turn or find another toy to play with.

And I'm still dying to know how a pup soloed dragua. I'm not saying this in a lolpup kinda way (because I don't think they're lol) but puppets have way lower hp than bst jugs and I'm pretty sure Dragua's AoE moves are not physically based. Methinks the OP is just overly exaggerating the "brokeness" of both situations.

[Bubeeky]

While I agree that aby has not been kind to some jobs, it's hardly a balance for them to have -100% pdt...personal feelings aside, that takes away the challenge doesn't it?

[Dallas]

I must also point out that even with -50% natural resisst, any VT mob will kill your pet before you kill them (sans using sleep to stop their tracks). Avatars are surprisingly fragile due to pretty poor defense ratings and around 1k HP.

Not sure if that is still true outside of abyssea, but inside we can destroy VT with phys builds. 2-3 kills per summons.

[Aldersyde]

Not sure if that is still true outside of abyssea, but inside we can destroy VT with phys builds. 2-3 kills per summons.

Yuly doesn't even need a pdt- build. I can go a full session farming manigordos with mc/rr/AoA with 2 pet eva axes without having to use call beast more than once, even if the tigers are vt. Should that be nerfed too?

Outside abyssea, i'd say a jug has no chance of beating a vt mob. You only put a jugpet on a vt mob when you've agroed something and need to stall the mob so you can get the hell out of there.

@Bubeeky: There are really so few nms that are absolute cakewalks, even with an ideal pdt- setup. The only ones that are that effortless wins are mobs with no magic or dots. I bet if most people went and got these builds then tried them, they would still get their faces torn off the first few times. People seem to think this is an "I-win" button and it's not.