100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Behemuthxero]

Understand why SMN alone got nerfed: SMN was able to reach -100% PDT with no gear, instantaneously, on a pet that was already near immune to one element. They were able to do it with a single Atma, using the other 2 for DD. For a few weeks, I walked Abyssea as a god.

BST need multiple atma, lots of gear (including a pair of magian trial axes and mini-expansion hat), and still need to use food on a pet that can't be called out every 30 seconds like avatars. BST make tons of sacrifices to tank.

Even at -87.5% pdt, SMN tank better than BST in several scenarios. That doesn't mean that BST can't find their niche. The OP was stuck behind a niche fight. Had the OP the slightest interest in a solution, he would have invited the BST into his alliance, killed the NM for him, and let the BST keep what he wanted. 60 minutes drops to 5 minutes, and hours of complaining on forums would disappear.

Sincerly,
The first -100pdt'er

This^

First of all it's not Abyssea-QQ... it wasn't made for YOU. It was made for everyone...if you can't handle that go play instanced WoW...Secondly, there are a lot more pet curing items now that don't use the reward timer. BST can hold anything forever no matter the PDT. Any magic spamming mobs will destroy bst pets when a bst is solo, and a blanket statement of "OMGWTFBBQ they are invincible!" is hardly warranted.

Should the bst be doing this in a timed zone while ppl are waiting for it? no. Should ppl with nothing better to do just watch and not offer to help like selfish little brats? NO.

All removing bst PDT is going to do, honestly, is make BSTs run mobs over to the cruor prospector where they can spam healing salve I the entire fight. Or they will spam the bastions and kite true AoE mobs to the bastion NPC for healing salve II. The issue really is that BST was impossible to kill, when played right, before the PDT. SE probably just gave the 100% cap so mobs wouldn't be dragged all over the zone killing ppl while BSTs killed high lvl mobs the "old school" way.

The real issue here is that you went QQ because you couldn't fight YOUR mob when you wanted to and you were completely unwilling to help someone else out with YOUR mob during YOUR time with it. Here is a crazy idea, join the BST and have them get DD atmas and show you all how they out damage every single other class in the game.

[Greatguardian]

What is with this ridiculous trend of "If someone else is incompetent and takes an hour to kill Gukumatz, why don't you kill it for them and give them the drops?"

If I'm proc'ing and killing an NM for you because you're unable to handle getting it dead before King Arthro would've raged, don't expect to "have claim" over anything it drops.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There's too much, I don't want people to have it because I can't have it mantality in this thread. lol

[Behemuthxero]

Then don't expect to "have claim" over the mob while BST tries....

[GlobalVariable]

If I'm proc'ing and killing an NM for you because you're unable to handle getting it dead before King Arthro would've raged, don't expect to "have claim" over anything it drops.

Bear in mind holding is pretty much why rage mode exists and no amount of -pdt should stop a raged NM from handing you your rear. I happen to think they really should patch rage to make raged mobs even worse on people.

[Greatguardian]

Bear in mind holding is pretty much why rage mode exists and no amount of -pdt should stop a raged NM from handing you your rear. I happen to think they really should patch rage to make raged mobs even worse on people.

I agree wholeheartedly. Honestly, nothing in Abyssea should be taking more than half an hour anyways. We're long past the days of full alliance 60 minute Fafnirs. A 30 minute kill-mode rage timer would be awesome, and it would keep Bst/Pup's toy intact.

[Malamasala]

You have to be honest, -100pdt is pretty stupid.

Well, over 20% haste is stupid. SE just loves giving people game breaking options.

[Arcon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oKh0yEGC2M

Thats CUIJATENDER near the start of that vid. Yes thats empy gear. Do you think that its ok because the gear isn't easy cheap AH gear? I'll even ignore all the whining thats been done about how easy it is to get empy gear completed and pretend its rare and hard to attain. Is it broken? I don't really thinks so.

That's argueable, however, and it's an entirely new topic on its own. At 75, relics were a lot better than other weapons (well, some), but they were still reasonable. I've out damaged quite a few Apoc DRKs who simply weren't good players (and, well, DRKs). But this is different. Ochain, especially, brings PLD to a whole new level, something that others can't possibly keep up with. Even among Empyrean gear it stands out as most broken imo. As I said, that's subjective now, but in my eyes it is broken and shouldn't be this good.

If you want to gimp one set of jobs, gimp them all, gimp them all the way back to 75 levels!

There's an imbalance in your premise. You claim we want to gimp one set of jobs more than others, but that is false. Right now, one set of jobs has a very high and unfair advantage over others, and we simply want that be evened out. And, in fact, not even that, we only asked for lower PDT cap, I wouldn't mind if it's still higher than the player cap.

And while I hate supporting derailed threads, I feel I need to contribute to the current (or, by now, previous) topic.

I always want people to come on jobs they like. The problem is, it doesn't work. I was leading several events, and as a leader it is your responsibility to make it work, somehow. Now, it's hard enough to find people to do Dynamis with, at one point we had only five people. And before people start going "But it's easy to trio Dyna these days!" bear in mind that only applies if you have a working trio combination. If you have four people who all want to come as damage dealers, what can you do? Will you just accept the fact that you have an inefficient setup (and by inefficient I mean dead in three minutes), or will you ask someone to come on a healing job?

This is a very realistic example, it happened to me more than once. Any social system, no matter what context, must have the priorities of the group in mind and find a balance with the priorities of each person. Do you like paying taxes? Of course not, but that money is necessary to keep the country going, and it benefits every individual. And yes, that example does relate, because it's the same thing, it's a social system with its own rules, that balances the wishes of individual persons against the wishes of the entire group. The leaders of a country don't think it's fun to take that money, but they know it's necessary. That's why finding the right balance is a pain, and no matter what you do, people will complain.

So question to you, what would you do if you only had five people for an event, two of which had healers, but didn't wanna play it (and disregard the fact that you'd still like a BLM)? I would seriously like to know. Shout for a healer who has to share his drops with five other people? They'll probably think it's a waste of time, unless you exclude some of your own people again, and the drama starts anew.

Another question to you, when you're asked to come on a specific job, will you do it? It sounds to me like you're trying to justify your own attitude. You say it's selfish if I want someone to come on a certain job, because it would fit into my plans. Well, those plans are for the benefit of everyone in the group (including you). Is that still selfish? Where do we draw the line, would you call someone selfish for jumping in front of someone else to take a bullet, because they didn't want the other person to get hurt, so it was just in his own interest? While it would certainly make sense, it would strip the word "selfish" of any relevant meaning, because every action anyone ever does would be selfish then.

The problem is quite simple, the wishes of a single person don't always benefit the group. If there's a way to work around it, by all means, but sometimes it just doesn't work that way. And if you still refuse to come on a certain job, then yes, I call that selfish.

[Malamasala]

Even at -87.5% pdt, SMN tank better than BST in several scenarios.

I must also point out that even with -50% natural resisst, any VT mob will kill your pet before you kill them (sans using sleep to stop their tracks). Avatars are surprisingly fragile due to pretty poor defense ratings and around 1k HP.

[GlobalVariable]

That's argueable, however, and it's an entirely new topic on its own

It was a response to something someone else said. I didn't feel a need to quote them since typed it up right after. I don't even remember what it was now.