100% PDT for PET is plain BS.

[Cyranda]

Hoping for the occasional "I don't give a crap what you come on..." moments isn't exactly a reassuring sentiment for anyone. Why bother gearing a job you'll never get to play in a non-EXP environment because, sadly, it's doomed from the start due to lack of procs in today's low-man world? Saying something like, "Just make your own party, then!" doesn't automatically make those sentiments go away, and in part, devalues the purpose of a linkshell if they're too hardheaded to ever accommodate a frustrated player. It reminds me of the "support job curse" where anyone who ever leveled BRD or RDM back in the day was usually stuck on those jobs unless they did something drastic like drop/sell all their gear or quit a shell and basically forfeit any points or standing they had.

Sometimes I wish I could say something like this rather than dipping into the sarcastic or frustrated. Very eloquent.

[Greatguardian]

I'd much rather that person have fun, especially if she is my friend, and continue playing instead of burning out and quitting or forcing her to do something she doesn't like. Even if we decided to find a WHM to go too, I wouldn't kick that person, nor would I demand or be angry with her for making that decision. It's certainly not selfish of her. I mean, do you tell a person who donates money to charity every year that the one year he doesn't donate because he ran out of money that he's selfish? Hell no. That would be disrespectful to the time he'd already donated, or in this case, kicking the person would be disrespectful to the time she'd already spent AND the help she can still bring outside the role of WHM simply because she'd ran out of patience (or the idea that it was fun) to play WHM. Even if the person had always been a BST, despite being a "lesser job" as it was oh so recently put, they're still bringing something, even if it's just help killing the monster faster, taking care of adds, holding things when people die, etc.

You pretty much keep sidestepping the point. I must look the same to you. Fact of the matter is, I think your attitude stinks. You probably think mine does too.

But you know what? With my attitude, I get things done in FFXI. I come on whatever job I'm needed, or whatever job is best suited for the task at hand, and my versatility makes me a valuable asset to the people around me. I have friends, whom I've completed multiple Empyrean Weapons and Armor sets with, and whom I don't even raise objections around when they occasionally (key word) come Paladin or Blue mage instead of Ninja or Bard. I have a sack in an incredibly successful NA Endgame shell. I've killed everything in the entire game short of Pandy Warden and content that came out yesterday, and I had fun doing it.

Meanwhile, with your attitude, you're steeped in bitterness and hatred towards Endgame linkshells and players. I don't know what your current situation is, but it's obvious you hate anyone who "forces" you to come on anything but Beastmaster. By limiting your usefulness to a group, you lower your appeal to linkshells who can actually complete content. I can't assume too much, but it's fairly obvious you're not happy.

Edit:

I don't know that anyone is arguing about absolutely essential roles here, otherwise they'd be talking about any DD or tank and not just pet jobs. My focus, for certain, is more on the propensity of people to resist taking BST and other jobs when they can be helpful and can still function, even if it's a reduced rate (the all or nothing approach, or the insulting "we'll take you as a second rate" character sort of thing). I suppose it shouldn't surprise me too much that someone might have taken it to an extreme and assumed I meant that you should have a party entirely of rangers trying to fight something immune to ranged attack, but these are internet forums, so there is that.

Considering I have no natural bias against Beastmaster, Yes, I did implicitly apply all of my arguments to any DD, Tank, or Mage job in the game. I don't care if it's BST, SMN, PUP, PLD, or freaking MNK. If someone refuses to come on something vital because they want to play la dee freaking da Anonymous Job A, they have a horrible attitude.

[Ilax]

Oh ya because taking 0 DMG from 60,000 needle is 'working as intended'. Ya right, as it been said in early post, even Ochain that is imo super broken too, you still take DMG bc #1 is not 100% block rate and #2 is not 100% dmg reduction.

If you can't find how is not right, i am sorry but i can't help you there.

[Cyranda]

Considering I have no natural bias against Beastmaster, Yes, I did implicitly apply all of my arguments to any DD, Tank, or Mage job in the game. I don't care if it's BST, SMN, PUP, PLD, or freaking MNK. If someone refuses to come on something vital because they want to play la dee freaking da Anonymous Job A, they have a horrible attitude.

Wanting to have fun is a horrible attitude? You'd prefer they burn out and quit? How ridiculous and controlling.

[Greatguardian]

Wanting to have fun is a horrible attitude? You'd prefer they burn out and quit? How ridiculous and controlling.

Personally I'd question the maturity of anyone who is "only able to have fun at all" on a handful of jobs. In principle, it's completely beside the point.

You act like it's always the same person being told to "Get on BRD instead of BST" every hour of every day. Probably because you're bitter and have an overdeveloped victim complex forged from years of playing with crappy linkshells and absorbing the hate and malice of everyone who got rejected from an Endgame shell for only having pet jobs.

Hint: It's not, and has nothing to do with anything I'm saying. Player A only being allowed to come unfun job A for months at a time is not the same as Player A refusing to come anything but unnecessary job B when the group needs vital job C in an instance.

[Seriha]

I guess what should be said is there's a fine line between being versatile and a doormat. Some might be content with the latter as it eventually leads them to the shinies, but everyone has varying levels of tolerance and outright demanding people to forgo all personal greed "for the good of the team" is a bit much since not everyone's skill or play time is equal. It just stings all the more when you start picking up on favoritism or start feeling ignored when you have things you'd like to accomplish that do require others.

Regardless, feeling shunned or whatever isn't really justification to make the lives of other players miserable with excruciatingly slow solos or other grief tactics. Ideally, they should offer to help and not steal your stuff, but I don't blame those who refuse aid because of that risk. On the other end, damning these players BECAUSE they can do stuff like that doesn't really help them, either. I've long been of the stance that the means of extreme solos should've been curbed long ago, and in the case of pet immunity, this is just new rung in that ladder. It should be addressed, but not in the, "Give us this in return!" manner of false compromise. Ignoring why certain jobs are left out or unpopular should always be a priority, and I can't help but feel like it's something SE hasn't done a good job of over the years, perhaps in part due to the community bandwagon.

[Cyranda]

Personally I'd question the maturity of anyone who is "only able to have fun at all" on a handful of jobs. In principle, it's completely beside the point.

You act like it's always the same person being told to "Get on BRD instead of BST" every hour of every day. Probably because you're bitter and have an overdeveloped victim complex forged from years of playing with crappy linkshells and absorbing the hate and malice of everyone who got rejected from an Endgame shell for only having pet jobs.

The fact that you're trying to assume a psychological complex about someone to justify your point is amusing. People are pretty good arbiters of what they like and don't like. Many people get burned out, and it's not a "lack of maturity" that makes them do so. That's some awful justification on your part.

Hint: It's not, and has nothing to do with anything I'm saying. Player A only being allowed to come unfun job A for months at a time is not the same as Player A refusing to come anything but unnecessary job B when the group needs vital job C in an instance.

The hell it isn't. If someone wants to play on their BST, PUP or whatever they've leveled up and YOU KNOW they hate another job, your asking them to come on it would be not only a slap to them, but a pretty good indicator of how uncaring and controlling you are. If you're fine with that, though, just own up to it. Quit trying to blame your lack of compassion on them or trying to pin them with some complex.

[Swords]

I don't think 100% Pdt is too bad considering that BST IS a solo job, and it typically is not invited for parties besides pet tanking. Besides theres still plenty out there that can kill a pet with 100% Pdt, namely magic casters and anything that can use Doom or Death type moves like Bukkis, and Poison can absoluetely wreck a pet.

[ShadowHeart]

i just have to say is unless you played beast/ smn / pup before fov abyseaa or level sync.... you would know that only way you would level is months and months and months of solo'ing i know i did it myself >< because sorry people but summoner is not a healer .... so i solo'd i dont mind buffing but smn is a dd to me
when level sync and fov were introduced this was a god send to the solo'ers because beast pup still didnt get any job invites and now they finally get thrown a bone so they can actually go out and get the gear they need because no one will invite them to a group ( THEY HAVE NO PROC"S ) so they are not wanted in pug's unless they start their own

-100% damage PDT fine ur still taking 30-40 even 60+ minutes to solo an NM where most jobs nin dnc thief can solo rape the mobs in 1/10th of the time and have procs so better chance at drop rates so learn the job and maybe u can respect the only chance they have in abyssea because really when is the last tiem u invited one of them to party with you outside abyssea never mind inside other then maybe a smn's 2 hour because chests make them re useable quicker lol

sounds like ur jus tupset someone had ur mob u wanted to fight would of cried just as bad if ninja or dnc or thief soling IMO

[Dallas]

Except blocking with shield is not 100% reduction so you still take damage so that's irrelevant. Try again.

That PLD can do things that a -100% PDT BST cannot do. If BST is broken, so is that PLD. It all depends on who the whiner is and how loud they whine.