DRK defense...

[Jar]

and here come the trolls~

You called?

[Rezeak]

This isn't a matter of being strong enough to become a tank. It's a matter of having something new or updated to assure that we last longer. Glass Cannons we may be, but even after this new update that increased our DD power by a lot, we're no good to anyone if we die even faster as a result.

I honestly love having this problem more than suxing in DMG so bad u never have hate to worry about getting killed.

Either way i wouldn't say we lack defense i mean we can shadow tank pretty damn well with having access to stun and atm I'm pretty happy to sub /NIN in abyssea now with last resort lasting so long and focusing on crazy high melee DMG if i have to.

I think it would be nice to have something extra to our defense abiltys like terror or a hate loss tool but outside that ur pushing DRK into the tanking job terriorty and imo i don't think it fits DRK

Only reason i say that is i believe DRK and PLD have been designed to be oppisites
PLD the Light Warrior that sacrifices attack for defense
DRK the Dark Warrior that sacrifices defense for attack

Either way thats just my opinion if SE want to add it i say go for it i'm happy with DRK as it is atm so anything extra is a bonus.

[vedder]

jar your not a troll lol you actually quite often offer very solid conversation and debate, i know ive come to respect your opinon an input/voice on things even if i sometimes dont agree

[Dart]

You called?

I may want to strangle you at times, but you're far from a troll to me.

[Kagato]

Why does this thread even exist?

Kagato, are you seriously arguing that DRK needs gear, a support job, and proper support to tank HNMs, so it isn't a good tank? I'd like to see how far you get on a naked level 90 PLD against anything. And cure bombing? I'm not even going to explain why that's not a problem; it should be obvious.

Well since you put it that way, I guess DRK can survive just fine wearing absolutely nothing with no subjob at all and is solo.

Quick, Dart! We must test this theory of the wise one named Tybudx! Hurry and strip! The fate of our successful linkshell events lies in our ability to tank NEKKID!

[Dart]

christ on a pogo stick what is this shit?

[vedder]

lmaorofgg "christ on a pogo stick!" that is so made of win ima use in lschat tonight over an over!

[Kagato]

There needs to be a pic of that.

[TybudX]

"Kagato, are you seriously arguing that DRK needs gear, a support job, and proper support to tank HNMs, so it isn't a good tank?"

Well since you put it that way, I guess DRK can survive just fine wearing absolutely nothing with no subjob at all and is solo.

You misunderstand. Here, this is you implying that DRK needing to have proper gear, support, and preparation means that it isn't a good tank:

Also, I'm not doubting that you tanked Tiamat without it, but for how long? Who was supporting you? What gear were you using? Unless you piled on the -PDT or evasion and were cure-bombed, it's honestly hard to believe you tanked Tiamat for a long period of time, especially if it was level 75 cap still. As far as your ninjitsu and dark magic, you'd need a ... good fast cast build in order to reliably throw out shadows and dark magic spells without interruption.
... If you did tank Tiamat the entire time or majority of the time, I wouldn't believe you at all if you also said it was both easy and required almost no heavy prep. After all, Dark Knights aren't designed to be tanks.

Except PLD requires (required) the exact same 'heavy prep' that you call for to tank, same support, same gear, same party set ups. The difference is DRK kills faster (safer).

So yeah, christ on a pogo stick, go tell your LSs that you guys can't read. Have fun with that.

[Dart]

ummm drk isn't safer, its a high risk/ high reward tank strategy. Do you even have basic reading comprehension? Or an above 8th grade education?

Also without proper support drk is a very medicore, even into the realm of bad tank. Pld on the other hand is made for low man holding and tanking with minimum support, it also functions very well as a dd with minimum support. .

Really do you have any idea about anything that you're talking about?