Were Emps supposed to be this easy?

[Satyr]

I guess under the relic logic if the level cap was currently lv300... a lv 75 relic weapon should still be top dog right? If this absurd analogy were the case no one would give a damn about new content because dynamis would always be the only thing you would need to do to have the best weapon in the game.

The Reality...SE give relic and mythic owners a way to upgrade their weapons to be comparable to current level weapons. Most games do not do that. SE has done you a favor. Yet you still arent happy. There is more QQ over relics that are upgradeable then there ever was over legendaries in WOW even though legendaries became useless once new content came out. And really when you think about it, it isn't even the weapons themselves that you are complaining about its the WS that is attached to them. It just happens that the relic WS were designed back when SE didn't really know what they were doing with regards to stats and power creep. I bet if SE just buffed the relic WS many would stop complaining. With that said I feel as though there would be a few that would still complain because the enjoyment that they got out of their relic was the mere fact that they had something that most others didn't have and now they don't feel so special anymore.

[Wenceslao]

Im happy with my dynamis lance, lol, and i'll be happiers when i get my Gungnir, idc if its obsolete, lol, i still want it, if emps are as easy as everyone states here, well i'll be glad to know that i'll have an oportunity og owning 2 fancy weapons ^^, lets face it, we are taking our time and effort for weapons that at this time are oldfashiones, but we still want it for the love to the weapon, or nostalgia, its natural that with new content, new weapons and armors will be realised and this last can be more powerful than the old ones because of the level we are facing, still, don't lose hope, maybe some update SE eill give us the desired revamp for relics and mythics, but while this not happens, give thanks u have a really neat weapon, many players didn't got during many years, (im one of them, and i still want my Gungnir)

[Runespider]

EDIT2:: I currently put very little effort into making gil, but I have managed to make 3-6mil per day for a while now, I'll tell you how after the update/server merge if you like, but it's not up for discussion right now until it gets taken away by the merge. How long you think it would take me to buy a relic? A month and a half of what I'm doing would net me like 200mil, is that enough? and is that faster then soloing an empyrean up to 90? I think so~

You have no idea. when I started my relic I already have the majority of the gil, it still took me over a year. You can't just buy the coins from an NPC, I had to check EVERY SINGLE BAZAAR everywhere and as I said still took me that long..and this was when rolan bazaars actually existed.

[Arcon]

You have no idea. when I started my relic I already have the majority of the gil, it still took me over a year. You can't just buy the coins from an NPC, I had to check EVERY SINGLE BAZAAR everywhere and as I said still took me that long..and this was when rolan bazaars actually existed.

And it's worse now, with currency becoming scarce. Will have to see what the update brings.

And no, empyreans don't take any time to obtain, you don't even have to spend a single traverser stone. Zone in for the drop, lot, zone out, that's it. Do that a few times while they fight the boss, then go back to fishing or gardening or whatever else you do in your spare time, while they go back to farming key items.

Should those items really be 500k? Does it matter? No, it matters what price they are, and Lv80 items usually go for 200~300k, Lv90 items for 500k (don't know about other servers). And still it's not even half of some relics. Exactly the same arguments can be given for relics and empyreans, only the quantity is a lot higher for relics, in any regard.

I know three relic holders, none of which botted for any money. And in fact, RMT is probably the most inefficient way to get money in this game I know. Bot? How do you bot money? Fishbot? That's peanuts. You'd have to fish for years, constantly (not even taking fatigue into account) to get enough money for a relic. Claimbot? What are you gonna claim? Most people who get a relic have either their own linkshell for it, profiting from their members' attendance, or make money in other ways, bazaar resale, logging, HNM NM farming, selling high end drops, back when Novio Earrings, Herald's Gaiters, Black Belt items, Ridills and E.Bodies were still worth something. I don't even know anyone who bots, but it's hard to just imagine making any kind of decent money out of it.

[Alukat]

The Reality...SE give relic and mythic owners a way to upgrade their weapons to be comparable to current level weapons. Most games do not do that. SE has done you a favor. Yet you still arent happy. There is more QQ over relics that are upgradeable then there ever was over legendaries in WOW even though legendaries became useless once new content came out. And really when you think about it, it isn't even the weapons themselves that you are complaining about its the WS that is attached to them. It just happens that the relic WS were designed back when SE didn't really know what they were doing with regards to stats and power creep. I bet if SE just buffed the relic WS many would stop complaining. With that said I feel as though there would be a few that would still complain because the enjoyment that they got out of their relic was the mere fact that they had something that most others didn't have and now they don't feel so special anymore.

is this game WoW?
now with the option given to give some feedback for improvements or whatever, why shouldn't use it?
anyway given with the trial option they should be able to make relics better, what would u say if the emp weapons still would be at level 80 and if they are crap at 99?
everyone can post their opinion, this has nothing to do with QQing.

Edit: okay u would say, it doesn't matter, because u spent only a couple weeks or months to finish 80 stage and relic took years.

[Atomic_Skull]

The str mod on mercy stroke pretty much kills it. Otherwise, I'd just like to note that magical WS are the ultimate for brewing.

Actually the STR mod is what makes it good because it fits perfectly with the Hecatomb set. Heca has a lot of DEX but it has even more STR.

[Atomic_Skull]

And lets be perfectly honest here...outside of attestations there is ZERO challenge to building a relic. The only challenge to building a relic is finding a way to make enough gil to pay for currency out of bazaars or sponsored runs.

It took me 3 years, playing 6-8 hours a day, making gil every day to self fund Mandau. That isn't zero challenge, that is the most soul crushing thing I have ever undertaken, inside FFXI or outside of it. It was a challenge just to to force myself to log into the game every day and continue.

[Atomic_Skull]

SE has already mentioned they're aware relics have lost their "power". They're updating it in the future to not only buff relics, but also make them easier to obtain.

They never said they were going to make them easier to obtain they said they were going to balance the difficulty between obtaining relics and mythics.

Also I will laugh my ass off if the the 95 and 99 Empyreans use dynamis currency to upgrade. And I can totally see SE "balancing" the difficulty of Empyreans and Relics that way.

[Alukat]

They never said they were going to make them easier to obtain they said they were going to balance the difficulty between obtaining relics and mythics.

Also I will laugh my ass off if the the 95 and 99 Empyreans use dynamis currency to upgrade. And I can totally see SE "balancing" the difficulty of Empyreans and Relics that way.

wuhahaha awesome.
or they turn the 1-2 100% drop rate into a 1 drop 5-10% droprate

[Atomic_Skull]

wuhahaha awesome.
or they turn the 1-2 100% drop rate into a 1 drop 5-10% droprate

Would be funny if...

Empyrean 95 and 99 upgrades require you to go give Switchstix 7000 and 10,000 currency. ("That weapon looks a little banged up pal, but I know somebody that could fix it right up. It won't be cheap though")

Relic 95 and 99 upgrades require you to collect 75 Angra Mainyu wings and 100 Dynamis Lord Fragments.

And in the end they end up exactly equal in both power and effort to upgrade.