Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[rog]

People still think they need tanks for exp? O.o

And some will until the game dies -.-

[Malamasala]

I'm sure people still think only PLD and NIN are tanks.

[Juxtaposition]

Wow, lots of butt hurt people in this thread over fast exp. Fact is SE knew exactly how their abyssea XP system would work because they created and tailored it to their liking. They could have easily kept bird camps competitive exp spots by making abyssea mob XP cap at 200-300. In addition, there is literally ZERO content for level 30s to do inside abyssea, making it even MORE apparent that SE intended for there to be leeches.

In short, continue to cry, for your tears sustain SE overlords.

[rog]

Wow, lots of butt hurt people in this thread over fast exp. Fact is SE knew exactly how their abyssea XP system would work because they created and tailored it to their liking. They could have easily kept bird camps competitive exp spots by making abyssea mob XP cap at 200-300. In addition, there is literally ZERO content for level 30s to do inside abyssea, making it even MORE apparent that SE intended for there to be leeches.

In short, continue to cry, for your tears sustain SE overlords.

Quests can be done at level 30.

[Renesmay]

I dont mind the new way but as a vet player I miss how things where at time before abyssea. I tend to stay away from the area until im around lvl 60+ so I can get to know my job and e able to level my skills while i level. Players who do level from 30 on up with a new job frankly I hate partying with them or doing things because they have no idea how to play their job correctly and if they do then they tend to have zero skill to go with it. Its also irritating when someone busts there butt to level a job and get to know how to play it skill it etc. lets say thf or dnc for example and a person comes through who lvled it to 90 within 2 days get more rewards then the person who truely loves and knows the jobs. Frankly I agree that the level does need to increase regarding abyssea entrence.

[Avina]

Quests can be done at level 30.

Yeah but, for what? Seals and whatnot for gear that's level 80+? Let's face it, Abyssea is a 70+ zone meant for 70+ players. I'm not saying it'd be a good idea for them to reduce the level cap now, but it's hard to argue that there is much of a point to a level 30 being there other than to stand around and to leech exp. You can make the argument that they would make a good candidate for someone to pop chests, but honestly when I look to Abyssea pty and we need someone to pop chests I'd rather get someone who is 70+ and has the option of being otherwise useful than someone taking the fast route.

And I'm not saying the fast route is bad, but exp is pretty damn fast now outside of Abyssea, and you can nail some good skill-ups along the way. Taking the Abyssea burning route though you really need to be on top of your game: I've seen players getting their jobs burned and sure they know the strategy behind the job but it just isn't as automatic for them because they don't have the experience playing the job for so long. One of the positive things about grinding is that it kinda cements that stuff into you, and things come to you quickly and without having to think as much. The skill I worry about someone losing when they Abyssea burn a job isn't even the combat skills or their magic skills, but the skill of knowing how to play the job. I'll be the first to say that there are a lot of people who can learn the job fast, but there are plenty who can't.

But honestly what bothers me most about Abyssea burning is that it accelerates the population decline of the game. My LS is very newbie friendly and we bring new people in all the time but its very hard to get them into Abyssea groups and they usually end up quitting. I know people will snark and say that new people aren't joining this game, but there are many who are, but you never see them because there isn't a game infrastructure to reliably get them to the upper levels. Very few parties, no cruor so they can't get invited to Abyssea leech, and no gear for them to buy on the AH makes this game not quite worth it to push through, and no new people coming in pretty much ensures a perpetual population decline.

[rog]

Yeah but, for what? Seals and whatnot for gear that's level 80+?

Sure, why not? Or maybe to gain cruor, so they can afford some abyssites, maps, and confluxes when they get up to 75+.

[Dubberrucky]

But honestly what bothers me most about Abyssea burning is that it accelerates the population decline of the game. My LS is very newbie friendly and we bring new people in all the time but its very hard to get them into Abyssea groups and they usually end up quitting. I know people will snark and say that new people aren't joining this game, but there are many who are, but you never see them because there isn't a game infrastructure to reliably get them to the upper levels. Very few parties, no cruor so they can't get invited to Abyssea leech, and no gear for them to buy on the AH makes this game not quite worth it to push through, and no new people coming in pretty much ensures a perpetual population decline.

True strike, as well do not forget that the same applies to the people coming back to the game after a while and there are a lot of them coming back too being quite frustrated with their return.

[Cream_Soda]

Lol so now you guys are complaining about people who can't leech? Make up your minds.

[Dubberrucky]

Lol so now you guys are complaining about people who can't leech? Make up your minds.

On the contrary its that they have very limited options thanks to leeching its solo or be just as bad as the other horrible players that get kicked from partys.