Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Icestein]

Except they, perhaps, don't wish to strain themselves while also contributing damage. They may also not want to expend cruor. Clearly there's a niche for it otherwise parties wouldn't opt for one.

I don't even see why it's a problem. Let people play the way they want. You want more classic parties? Make them, nothing is stopping you. You're delerious if you think the state of partying will suddenly become exponentially better if we remove leeching. People will go back to Astral flows (also much contested, but never stopped by SE) and very few people will level a new job.

[Kuishen]

Why is this thread still open? Idea was stupid to begin with, and it's not going to happen. End of discussion.

[Dubberrucky]

A key macro takes less than 1 second to hit so if that is too taxing to add to any job then your DD is probably afk anyway. And just as you don't see why leeching is a problem I do not see the need for it to ruin my game experiences either another matter of opinion. Your opinion wont stop me from trying and mine wont stop anyone from trying to find any loophole not to do any work in the game. Bottom line there are people out there that are sick of arriving to a party to find out that it is a waste of time with 5or more leeches in it. There are leechless aby parties out there that and they do exceptionally well so there is still hope in the world they are just rare.

[rog]

Not if the party is any good, or rather has any good player with them. I one shot most IT EXP mobs with a single WS, so no I'd rather not spend time digging through chests when I could be slaughtering monsters. Even shoving this duty onto the mages can be problematic, as it leaves them unable to properly respond to situations that require immediate attention or to properly do their jobs in general.

/item "forbidden key" <stnpc>

[Jesterking]

I play the game to play the game, not to sit in slow exp parties for hours on end. If I have the opportunity to leech a job to cap, I'm going to take it. Why? because I'm at the point where I actually want to get stuff for myself rather then doing the same old grind. So if I can leech my WHM up to cap and then duo a crap ton of NMs for +2 items with a friend, hell yes I'm going to take it. You guys need to stop crying. I don't want to play the game mediocre anymore, with 5 years of playing under my belt I'm far past that point. Versatility is key in this game now and Abyssea offers that with it's leveling/leeching system. The game has developed into 90% lowman, so having mulitple jobs to offer is going to benefit everyone more then an attitude about how leeching has negative effects. I will concede to the point that people who leech jobs and then don't skill up are hurting everyone they're with, but you have the option to not run with them. Build something around the other jobs they have instead of gimping the party, because I'n sure they have at least one job that isn't gimped skill wise.

There are so many damn ways to play this game. Stop crying about how the way you don't like or aren't good at is wrong. It's ridiculous. Somebody has to open chests, and at the rate that mobs get killed in my parties, it's a fulltime job. So someone leeching isn't hurting the exp rate. If that key person was killing as well as keys then we'd lose chests or mobs would die slower. Just play how you want and stop putting a damper on the game for the rest of us who enjoy the system.

[Eric]

Why is this thread still open? Idea was stupid to begin with, and it's not going to happen. End of discussion.

Just like people are usually more willing to take the easy path, people are also very reluctant to any sorts of change. SE could implement a change that everyone has been asking for, and you will still have a loud group of people complaining... because people don't like change.

So I'm just going to agree that the minimum level allowed in abyssea is fine, because obviously the game hasn't fallen apart in the half-year that it's been out, and it doesn't seem to be heading that way.

[Greatguardian]

/item "forbidden key" <stnpc>

I have that bound to a key, personally I was speaking in reference to the lowest common denominator.

Edit: @ Dubber, any single good player can have a party comprised of themselves and 17 leeches and really not give a hoot at all. Really. Mobs are not hard. If there isn't a single good player among the 13 non-leeches, including yourself, then I dare say that's the problem.

[svengalis]

As much as I hate leeches I don't think they should do this. It is way to hard to find a tank past 30 to get decent exp.

[Fiarlia]

As much as I hate leeches I don't think they should do this. It is way to hard to find a tank past 30 to get decent exp.

People still think they need tanks for exp? O.o

[Kuishen]

People still think they need tanks for exp? O.o

I admit, I rofl'd a bit.