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    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    Lol, Oh god. I just. Wow.

    Dancing Edge does have higher mods, However Evisc can crit, and will Average higher numbers. Especially with the 5% Crit job trait, Loki's Kaftan, and the Tathlum with Critdmg+3%.

    Raging rush has always been better than KJ since before abyssea, it was always a close call, but due to RR's Crit ability it came ahead unless you had Mighty Strikes up.
    KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
    RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

    with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
    RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

    with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........
    You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

    100% TP KJ vs
    100% TP RR

    100%TP KJ
    ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

    100%TP RR
    fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

    Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

    15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

    Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

    As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

    I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

    DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 04-24-2011 at 07:49 AM.

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    Player Jar's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karbuncle View Post
    You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

    100% TP KJ vs
    100% TP RR

    100%TP KJ
    ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

    100%TP RR
    fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

    Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

    15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

    Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

    As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

    I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

    DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.

    I can agree with the THF part but still not seeing how wars lackluster crits (not with blood rage up) would pull ahead of the extra 15% str
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jar View Post
    I can agree with the THF part but still not seeing how wars lackluster crits (not with blood rage up) would pull ahead of the extra 15% str
    15-18% crit dmg is lackluster? (did war get tier 2 crit dmg trait?)
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