[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[MarkovChain]

Hey guys we forgot to say pop are tradable. Haha. So since every newb will see an opportunity to make cash I guess it's a good thing. I guess i will empty my 37 millions on defending ring ¿

[Daremo]

I don't know what you seem to be reading, but you're certainly not getting the point, at all.

Did you read that whole post you quoted, or stop at the third sentence? The top portion was mainly in regards to your post on page 45.

[Karbuncle]

Did you read that whole post you quoted, or stop at the third sentence? The top portion was mainly in regards to your post on page 45.

Third Sentence, Give or take, I think i read the middle paragraph, i skipped your final thoughts, Read about 1 sentence. I'm a skimmer, Bu hey, I thought of something else.

I know you think Maybe I'm just complaining about complaining, but in reality I'm offering my side of the Argument. They offered their side "This update is a back-step" i offered mine "Its not that bad", and continued to have a discussion. by us i mean Me, Pchan, Rambu, GG, and a few others.

I don't think any of them got really mad, and I'm sure they each enjoyed the argument as much as me. The ups, the downs, the frustration, or maybe I'm the only person here who enjoys a heated debate?

So while you may just think of it as "Complaining about complaining about complaining", The majority of us see it as a topic of Discussion. Arguments can become heated, People sometimes lose their temper, But in the end its nothing more than healthy Discussion.

one side will eventually win, one side will lose, or we come to a stalemate. You don't have to read it, You don't have to like it, But these forums people are free to express their opinion (Within forum boundries and rules) to have a discussion. People won't always agree, But what do you expect me to do? They shit all over the update like its ending the world, and me sit back and let SE think everyone feels the same? I refuse.

I'll voice my opinion on the subject, and reply to anyone who disagrees and try to convince them there is a silver light in this update.

Those who adamantly disagree, (Like say, Pchan and Rambus), I'll discuss with, Eventually I'll give up. You can't please everyone, But i'd rather try to show them how good this update can be, rather than sit back and let SE believe everyone feels the way they do.

Edit: You talking about my First post? or Second? Cause I think both of them stand true. But you shouldn't be offended. Its pretty much human nature to want because other people get. Its life that you can't please everyone. I may have worded it "Cynically", I admit, But it doesn't mean its not truth. I do not envy those who make this game. Because i can look at every single update thread ever released in FFXI and see some amount of people complaining about something. Human nature, etc.

I don't care if people complain a little, But excessive "END OF THE WORLD" Complaining is too far. You're free to express your opinion, But when you go about screaming Dooms-day Prophecies and multi-Excessive-Bashing of people who try to disagree with you, its a step too far.

I've crossed that line once or twice out of Frustration, But i try to maintain my cool for the most part. No ones perfect.

Edit: MarkOvPchan Just proved my point. His only argument relentlessly insulting someone. Its why he's been banned from multiple forums. He has what we call "Unhealthy Discussion". Nothing comes from arrogant flaming.

[Yopop]

Here's the down side

What about the people who do not have jobs left to level anywhere.. Where do they get the Kindred Seals besides farming easy pray+ for hours on end at a poor drop rate. I would take a week or more to even get half the Seals to do the KSNM

Not really fair when they have nothing to level .. even with the cap going to 95 .. even 100 .. the kindred seal rate they won't get a lot of seals from it

I solod from 1-90 on BST and the amount of BS and KS I got would afford me maybe a 4 go's @ 99KSNM

Wow look at all the people cry. I think this is great. Will open up more reasons to exp outside of abyssea for beastmen seals, Would recreate HNMLS's and would seperate the dedicated monks from the abyssea mnks. Good work DEVs!

[Karbuncle]

Here's the down side

What about the people who do not have jobs left to level anywhere.. Where do they get the Kindred Seals besides farming easy pray+ for hours on end at a poor drop rate. I would take a week or more to even get half the Seals to do the KSNM

Not really fair when they have nothing to level .. even with the cap going to 95 .. even 100 .. the kindred seal rate they won't get a lot of seals from it

I solod from 1-90 on BST and the amount of BS and KS I got would afford me maybe a 4 go's @ 99KSNM

I understand how you feel, The majority of my jobs are 90~+, and I've only got enough KS for ~4/5 Runs. But the positive is at least its known you can purchase the items too. While everyone won't be able to do the KSNMs, everyone can farm gil.

So they have a choice to farm gil, or farm Kindred Seals. I know its not a great choice, It'll depend on the prices (Knowing FFXI/world, It'll be expensive) but theres always the options.

Some people will be left out of course, the same thing happened in the old system. However this new system opens up more opportunities, even if they're not all for 1 person, it opens them up across multiple people. Rather they have seals saved up, or money saved up.

Or can farm both.

[ShadowHeart]

Amen.

HNM hunting on this game was by far the most boring stupid and retarded game play element, and it's about time it got changed. Wholeheartidly support this change and may Square Enix never ever again subject their players to such torture.

I beg to differ i been playing on 7 years and love camping NM's HNM's for years the friends u make the adrenaline of out claiming the other 50 people there i always loved the hunt and the camp even if the drop wasn't for me.

[Karbuncle]

I beg to differ i been playing on 7 years and love camping NM's HNM's for years the friends u make the adrenaline of out claiming the other 50 people there i always loved the hunt and the camp even if the drop wasn't for me.

You think you'd get the same thrill if it was a Lottery spawn? genuine question. Or if the NM itself had a respawn of ~3 hours instead of 21?

I'm curious if people can find a thrill in things if they're slightly more common. I can understand the "awesome" of claiming an NM, I share it too. This is going to show my noob, But when i first clalimed Dark Ixion/Killed it, It was exciting. I kinda hated the group of people crowding around waiting for a wipe (which never happened), But i enjoyed killing it.

But i also felt the same joy when I got my Epona's, or finished my +2THF set. So I'm curious how other people feel. Its good discussions.

Tl:dR - what about it makes you excited ;O?

[Khajit]

I beg to differ i been playing on 7 years and love camping NM's HNM's for years the friends u make the adrenaline of out claiming the other 50 people there i always loved the hunt and the camp even if the drop wasn't for me.

That stops being fun once you realize bots exist and are being used against you.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I would have preferred if they'd made the triggers like an enm

once every 3~5 days get a trigger free

[RaenRyong]

Where'd you get that data from? Your backside?

I think you'll find the casual noobs just cry louder and cry more for what they want. Most of the HNM fans didn't bother to post against a wall of ignorance. That was my downfall.

Funny how you separate HNM fans from noobs; most HNM players were SHOCKING! I don't know if it happened on your server, but HNMLSs as a whole proved very incapable at Abyssea and generally just threw excessive bodies at things forever, which is all the "skill" HNM ever taught.