[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Miera]

I'm not sure if I missed it or something or it wasn't said, is there a chance of you getting the NQ or HQ or do you have a choice to pick popping the HQ? I must have missed that somewhere

[Rambus]

Except THe entire discussion until 2 posts ago from Rambus has Been only regarding the HNMs.

So yah, I've never once made an argument about the KSNM99 system being not currently available. Did i? Maybe you misread something. I don't ever remember saying "KSNM99s don't offer a chance". Strangely enough my Entire argument so far has been in regards to how the HNMs work, Not the KSNM99's. So, Why are you guys suddenly bringing the KSNM99's into this?

Anyway, Have fun with that imaginary argument. I'll continue discussing how this is an Improvement to the HNM system like i have been this entire time. I know the current KSNM99 system still offers you a chance at what you want, But I was under the impression i was arguing that this is an Improvement over Old-HNM-World spawns, Not the KSNM99 System.

wrong, you completely ignored me when i bought it up, and i did several times.

[Rambus]

I'm not sure if I missed it or something or it wasn't said, is there a chance of you getting the NQ or HQ or do you have a choice to pick popping the HQ? I must have missed that somewhere

notes say this, do ksnm 99 get a pop item for NQ, a chance of getting more then one.

fight NQ, no chance of BB item, a chance of dropping HQ item

HQ lower drop rate for bb item

[Miera]

Ohhhh~! Yeah I see it now. I'm one of those people who have to read it twice/three times for the info to sink in. ><

[Henihhi]

Obviously Markov cannot read. The current system as it stands this moment is the ks99/claim kings systems. My god if you are going to quote me at least have a little understanding of what is going on. Next time i will be sure to only use little words so you people that claim to speak for the masses can comprehend. Oops- i used a big word. Current system = ONE server wide chance to claim for ONE chance for ONE person at a black belt item per day. So on a server of say 2500 people, that is 1/2500 chance at a bb item for ONE person per server. Yes you can do ks99 for more chances, but with abyssea fever,not many can be bothered to do that.

Now SE comes along and says HAI GAIZ MORE KINGS FOR EVERYONE who goes out and farms KSes. This is bad how exactly?

I am coming to the understanding that most posters in these forums either have an IQ below retarded, or are just so stuck on immediate gratification they cannot grasp anything outside the little bubble of their own screen,doritoes, mountain dew, and their piss bottle.

[Karbuncle]

You are talking alone in your little corner I think because the main concern of 99% of the posters are not fighting HnMs but getting a black belt. I've seen you use the same argument about 1 chance vs multiple chance, and I just destroyed it. You are using semantic, that's it. But go on discussiing with the other idiot, please.

You crack me up man.

My argument form point 1 has been In regards to how this is an Improvement over old HNM system, not an Improvement to anything relating to KSNM99s.

Right now, Regardless of your fail logic or Fail arguments, In regards to the HNM scenario, One person had a chance to kill said HNM once per day. This includes all Loot from said NM, Up to and including the Black Belt items.

Optional options have always been there, Such as KSNM99s. I however do find it hard to believe someone could be camping the HNM, and doing KSNM99s for longer than a month and not have a Black Belt. Thats another argument.

When this System Rolls around. People will be able to Kill said HNMs multiple times if they have seals. While some people do not have seals, It opens up a wider array of people who will be able to pop and Kill these HNMs, as in the long run chances are more than 1 of these NMs will be killed per day, More than the old system allowed.

Its not a Perfect Solution, and as GlobalVariable pointed out, Since we don't know how much the Nerf of HQ Kings was, or the Drop rate of HQ King-Pop items. We must assume It will Remain Equal for Black Belt Items. However other Items dropped from Said NMs will still be Available, Those not from KSNM99s. So in a way its a small improvement to those after things other than BB Items.

I never suggested its a perfect system Pchan, I only recognize its an effort, and step, in the correct Direction. Even if its small.

wrong, you completely ignored me when i bought it up, and i did several times.

I'd ask you to prove where you said anything regarding "KSNM99s" and not "Kings" but you've edited your posts So much it'd be a moot point. Cause i could swear to god this entire time we've been discussing how this update effects HNMs and their drops, not KSNM99s.

In that Case, I'll make it very clear what my intentions were.

My argument has been, and will remain, This System is an Improvement over Old-Camping Kings. My argument has never been about currently Doing KSNM99s, or how they meld with Ground Kings pre-Update.

[Rambus]

My argument has been, and will remain, This System is an Improvement over Old-Camping Kings. My argument has never been about currently Doing KSNM99s, or how they meld with Ground Kings pre-Update.

if they said you need 500 ks to start the chain would you still be saying this? I started talking about this is because i do not accpet polished turds. it may let people fight kings more but who cares? well maybe some do, I don't.

All I am saying is this:

KSNMs will be spammed for D ring.

Egg rarely drops from KSNM but beard drops like candy.

that alone should show, "hey this new system makes it harder to get egg", and they are lowering drop rates on top of that!

[GlobalVariable]

Well, Black Belt items stay the same, Every other drop from HNM/Kings becomes easier. This makes it a step in the right direction, Regardless !

Yeah I'm at least happy more people can be able to fight an HQ land king, something that never happened before for most. Sucks that BB just got harder for me personally but at least its just the randomness+usual not having members to help and not a claiming tool user or the fact I have to sleep. I still think someone at SE made popcorn before posting the announcement. And just wait, lv 96 or 98 belt that obsoletes it and the wonderful flurry of posts that come with it.

The attitude some posters have that amounts so saying not perfectly happy just wants gear handed to them is more irritating than any unpleasantness of the update. I'm deterred from saying anything because everyone gets lumped together into a "side" on it ya'know? Why's that happen so much anyway... /grumble

[Karbuncle]

1) if they said you need 500 ks to start the chain would you still be saying this? I started talking about this is because i do not accpet polished turds. it may let people fight kings more but who cares? well maybe some do, I don't.

All I am saying is this:

KSNMs will be spammed for D ring.

2) Egg rarely drops from KSNM but beard drops like candy.

that alone should show, "hey this new system makes it harder to get egg", and they are lowering drop rates on top of that!

1) No, thats Stupid, Are you just going to make up insane out-of-context Situations to push your argument now? This is irrelevant because they're not doing that. If they did requite 500KS i would be against it because its insane.

2)You keep Bringing up the Egg. Doesn't the Egg have the same drop rate from KSNM as all the other ones do? Wiki isn't reliable but it lists Ada Egg as 17%, Wyrm beard as 21%, and Behemoth Tongue as 26%. Doesn't seem like that bad of a Spread.

If you want the Egg, You use your seals to get your Egg. I bet you'll get it if you try. I'm sure you can find help. You have (Theoretically) the same chance to get the egg in this update as you do Tongue, and Beard. You just chose your path.

People who want BB will be doing all three, True more people will be doing KB for Defending Ring, But it won't effect your game-play. If thats all your after, Thats all you need to do.


On a Side note.

I feel like i should mention this again, I don't think this is the perfect solution, i don't think its the best solution, But as it stands I believe this is a step in the right direction, Even if its small, Even if it only helps you get XItem and not Y Item. I've admitted countless times I think the System needs a lot of improvements before it can be perfected. But i also think it'll help more people in the long run. It won't help everyone, Nothing is perfect, but i think it will help more people.

Snipit

They did mention wanting to release something that out-dates Black Belt. I'll giggle when it comes out.

Don't think you can obsolete black belt or at least the next one will required you to trade black belt before hands, if you follow the previous quests logic.

In an interview a While ago they mentioned "not wanting to make Black Belt Easier to obtain, but create something better for monks to use." Something like that.

Who knows, We'll SEE!

[MarkovChain]

Don't think you can obsolete black belt or at least the next one will require you to trade black belt beforehands, if you follow the previous quests logic. Best things that can happen is that with the level increase you get 2 more haste on the 5 visible slots making tiwlight the best for DD but black belt still has pretty awesome stats beside haste.