[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Denabond]

Wow so much RAGE in this thread. Key things you guys need to remember, we don't know if it will be easier or harder to get the BB items til its actually implemented. All we know is it will be a pop NMs now, NQ kings don't drop the item and have a unknown % chance to drop the item to pop the HQ king, HQ kings no longer drop it 100% of the time, and the KS99 might drop more then 1 pop item for the NQ king. The chance to get the items needed to HQ can be 1%-99% while the same can be said about the BB items themselves. Saying that they will be easier/harder is your guess at whats gonna happen. Other then the eventual flood of people wanting Dring, the rest is just speculation on your guys part.

[Karbuncle]

Wow so much RAGE in this thread. Key things you guys need to remember, we don't know if it will be easier or harder to get the BB items til its actually implemented. All we know is it will be a pop NMs now, NQ kings don't drop the item and have a unknown % chance to drop the item to pop the HQ king, HQ kings no longer drop it 100% of the time, and the KS99 might drop more then 1 pop item for the NQ king. The chance to get the items needed to HQ can be 1%-99% while the same can be said about the BB items themselves. Saying that they will be easier/harder is your guess at whats gonna happen. Other then the eventual flood of people wanting Dring, the rest is just speculation on your guys part.

I've already tried to explain the "Unknown Element". It didn't work. Assuming the worst is all a negative person can do.

[Henihhi]

you get 2 chances with it now, go camp it then go pop the ksnm 99, cept you have greater chance if you get claim ( higher drop rate from NQ/HQ) and you do not know the drop rate of HQ pop under the new system, that is never stated.

The system now is not two chances for everyone. It is 1 chance server wide for whoever claims that day with a separate chance for those those who have KS lying about. New system = multiple chances for EVERYONE not too lazy to farm seals or to team up.

[MarkovChain]

The fact I've been trying to explain to you that old system = 1 pop per day, for only 1 person/group on the entire server.

Did you voluntarerly skip the part where you can do KS99 whenever you want too, RIGHT NOW ? So it is DEFINITELY not one shot at a given BB item per day per server. If you are neglecting the KS99 part today why would it become not negligeable in the future ?

[MarkovChain]

The system now is not two chances for everyone. It is 1 chance server wide for whoever claims that day with a separate chance for those those who have KS lying about. New system = multiple chances for EVERYONE not too lazy to farm seals or to team up.

Like the current system of KS99, facepalm.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Like the current system of KS99, facepalm.

except current system doesn't drop the old kings gear in ks99 ;o

[Karbuncle]

Did you voluntarerly skip the part where you can do KS99 whenever you want too, RIGHT NOW ? So it is DEFINITELY not one shot at a given BB item per day per server. If you are neglecting the KS99 part today why would it become not negligeable in the future ?

Except THe entire discussion until 2 posts ago from Rambus has Been only regarding the HNMs.

So yah, I've never once made an argument about the KSNM99 system being not currently available. Did i? Maybe you misread something. I don't ever remember saying "KSNM99s don't offer a chance". Strangely enough my Entire argument so far has been in regards to how the HNMs work, Not the KSNM99's. So, Why are you guys suddenly bringing the KSNM99's into this?

Anyway, Have fun with that imaginary argument. I'll continue discussing how this is an Improvement to the HNM system like i have been this entire time. I know the current KSNM99 system still offers you a chance at what you want, But I was under the impression i was arguing that this is an Improvement over Old-HNM-World spawns, Not the KSNM99 System.

[MarkovChain]

You are talking alone in your little corner I think because the main concern of 99% of the posters are not fighting HnMs but getting a black belt. I've seen you use the same argument about 1 chance vs multiple chance several pages ago, and I just destroyed it. You are using semantic, that's it. But go on discussiing with the other idiot, please.

So in your opinion, how much is it increasing the number of BB item chance per day on the overall server ? Here is my guess. Most of the BB seekers of today don't have KS because they have tried to get it already (nor their friends obviously), OR, they just don't have any. Before this was announced, why would you sit over 1K KS if actively seeking a BB seing as those KSNM are jokes at 90 ? No reason really.

[GlobalVariable]

cept you have greater chance if you get claim

This System, He can do the KSNM99, Now he went from 0% Chance at the item he wants (Didn't claim!) to a small chance from the KSNM, as well as apop for the NQ. His Chances just went up a lot.

Based on information we have and not speculation about drop rate changes to KSNM the chance has not changed. It looks that it was deliberately designed to keep the incoming flow of black belts to the server the same. Claim only factors odds for person who claimed, NQ doesn't drop post update, and KSNM already dropped before update.

Now would you both stop this pointless arguing? SE doesn't care which of you posts last and you sure aren't going to change each others minds.

[Karbuncle]

Based on information we have and not speculation about drop rate changes to KSNM the chance has not changed. It looks that it was deliberately designed to keep the incoming flow of black belts to the server the same. Claim only factors odds for person who claimed, NQ doesn't drop post update, and KSNM already dropped before update.

Now would you both stop this pointless arguing? SE doesn't care which of you posts last and you sure aren't going to change each others minds.

Well, Black Belt items stay the same, Every other drop from HNM/Kings becomes easier. This makes it a step in the right direction, Regardless !