[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[hiko]

8 KS99 is not enough to get a BB.

luck etc..., with 8 orb you will be able to get up to 4BB and 2 2/3!

[Greatguardian]

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

You guys wanted "An incentive to leveling outside of Abyssea". Kindred Seals are now relevant again, heck they're more relevant than they have ever been before, and they can only be obtained outside Abyssea from monsters level 50-80. That is the single biggest incentive they could possibly give to Non-Abyssea EXP aside from completely locking Abyssea itself. And that just is not going to happen. Would you prefer that they straight up paid you gil to EXP outside Abyssea? Added new items to Conquest Points? Unless they're adding Ridill, Ebody, Dring, Nlegs, Nhead, Abody, and Speed Belt to Conquest Points I think you're getting a much better deal this way.

At the same time, this does not harm any of the players who want to Leech in Abyssea. If they want to burn a job from 30-90, they can still do so. They simply will not get any Kindred Seals, and thus will choose to lose out on the option of getting Black Belt items and other King items. It is now a conscious choice that the player makes, and there are real benefits to both sides.

And just a heads up, it looks like a lot more than "A small handful" of people are freaking out about Black Belts. I highly doubt there will be problems finding someone in dire need of Kindred Seals. As for limiting King content, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know what server you're on, but on Cerberus the only people who fought pretty much any land kings for the 8 years prior to Abyssea were all basically the same 2 linkshells (Which reformed over and over and over into what became the same 3 linkshells). Anyone who didn't want to join those shells never saw a single king outside of Nyzul Isle. This change will allow anyone with a KS99 orb to fight Fafnir, Nidhogg, Aspid, or King Behemoth. You're crazy if you think this is somehow making these NMs Less accessible.

[Tannlore]

You guys wanted "An incentive to leveling outside of Abyssea". Kindred Seals are now relevant again, heck they're more relevant than they have ever been before, and they can only be obtained outside Abyssea from monsters level 50-80.

This is a case of: Careful what you wish for, you might get it. I love this part of the update. Forced poped HNM, long overdue.

[SNK]

who said I had to sit those 3 hours stright?

sorry time spent in old way would be a lot less then this craptatic update.

And yet you spent 5 years in Dynamis getting a Yoichi. Tell me how this logic works out where you had to do 2 to 3.5 hours of Dynamis twice a week for 5 years to finish a relic vs camping a NM once a day for 3 hours a day works out again?

Don't sit there and cry about how bad this update is and that the old one is better when you've commented on Magian Trials being hard for you to do because you have a bad back?

Get your stories straight man please.

[ShadowHeart]

save the force pops for the new nm's hnms to come why mess with an old tradition for items only people on fad kicks go out to kill anymore

waste of time and resources /manpower to worry about the old stuff

[blowfin]

You guys wanted "An incentive to leveling outside of Abyssea". Kindred Seals are now relevant again, heck they're more relevant than they have ever been before, and they can only be obtained outside Abyssea from monsters level 50-80. That is the single biggest incentive they could possibly give to Non-Abyssea EXP aside from completely locking Abyssea itself. And that just is not going to happen. Would you prefer that they straight up paid you gil to EXP outside Abyssea? Added new items to Conquest Points? Unless they're adding Ridill, Ebody, Dring, Nlegs, Nhead, Abody, and Speed Belt to Conquest Points I think you're getting a much better deal this way.

Personally I think the whole "Abyssea has ruined the game" is ridiculous, just putting that out there before I start.

However, I don't think that soloing for 99 KS on garbage mobs was exactly what people had in mind when they were asking for incentive to go and EXP outside of Abyss. I think a lot of folks were looking for the traditional partying mechanic (i.e. 6 players) as it still has a lot of charm to much of the playerbase. Particularly if you're returning, but hell, some people just enjoy that sort of thing and who are we to tell them they shouldn't enjoy that? Now, it does sound like you're very disconnected from that, I certainly am. A lot of people coming back, and a lot of people who aren't into the current endgame seem to want that kind of thing though. Not that this change to kings was ever intended to do that. You just seem to be saying that people have got exactly what they were asking for, I don't think that's quite correct.

Having said all that i'm now going to say all this, there are plenty of constructive things to do outside of Abyss, even before this announcement. Something that people seem to ignore is that there are very obvious benefits to gaining EXP in older areas at the moment, in particular Aht Urghan. I'm not going to go into details but if it's possible to get a decent rate of EXP anywhere out there in AU anymore, it's basically a licence to print money. The counter to that is you probably don't want to be in a group if you're out there farming for KS, unless you`ve agreed to have them drop to one or two people. I mean, certain BC's are still quite lucrative (some BC40's spring to mind) and make a strong case for exp outside of Abyss in the early-mid stages of the game, if you are concerned with getting gil.

[Karbuncle]

I think all but 1 person forgot NPC's were getting their level raised to ~95 soon. This will give a lot of us incentive to exp in the old areas too to level them up.

There's also the good chance that they might add more reasons to visit old areas in the upcoming teaser notes to be an addendum to this update causing players to want to be outside for more than just KS, but at the same time involve killing and in turn getting KS.

SE is liking going to "pile on" the reasons to leave abyssea, this is likely one small step. I commend them.

Really, I'm not going to go as far as saying i 100% remember something like DEV1009 being suggested, But i swear at one point i read the idea of someone suggesting force-pop Kings, and it being met with open praise. Now that we got it, its the same crying. It goes to show no matter what SE Does, people will always complain.

I hope the DEV/Rep who had to sift through this crap really reads this line:

This is a great update. People will always cry, Don't assume because they're whining that the majority of us don't like this change. Most of us can see how much of an improvement this is.

One thing though, Could always not including that bit about decreases BB King Drop rate. Could just keep that the same >.>.

[Rambus]

so far everyone I talked to in game thinks this update is stupid, supporters of this update is a minority

no idea how you can be so blind to say otherwise.

you can stand there and say i am crying all you want, I am not a sheep I do not accpet something because someone goes "here". it is a bad update.

[blowfin]

That`s funny, your supporters in this thread are very few indeed. I have to wonder who you actually asked and the way in which you phrased the questions.

no idea how you can be so blind to say otherwise.

Blind? Now you are straight forward attacking people who disagree with you.

I think all but 1 person forgot NPC's were getting their level raised to ~95 soon. This will give a lot of us incentive to exp in the old areas too to level them up.

There's also the good chance that they might add more reasons to visit old areas in the upcoming teaser notes to be an addendum to this update causing players to want to be outside for more than just KS, but at the same time involve killing and in turn getting KS.

Yeah just add leveling your NPC to the list of things to do outside outside Abyss. It`s not like there`s a lack of options between Magian, FoV, etc. And we don`t even know what the new Grounds of Valour system is going to bring. Make no mistake, people are getting plenty of options outside, but that sentimental notion of the 6 man party is something that people are probably going to have to let go of.

[Staren]

Why does it have to be people crying or jumping on the kneel at the feet of the dev team bandwagon. Some of us love the idea and hate the implementation. They asked for feed back and we spend a lot of time arguing whether or not we are whining and should be thankful or that you're a fanboy and need to admit this isn't reasonable. I do appreciate the dev teams work but I think they should be listening to these comments and come up with another pop method outside of these ideas. Otherwise after a few months these will go the way of a lot of other content and become things people used to do but dont bother to do anymore like campaign, scnms, znm's, etc.