[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[SNK]

ehh I've tried claiming hnm's before.. even a couple weeks ago i tried to claim adamantoise 4 days in a row..

could never manage to get claim...

I'd rather just farm up kindred seals than deal with the hassle of wasting 3 hours to not even get to fight something

And this is why they're doing it and yet the same people who cried for days and months on end about never being able to go for gear from Kings or finish their Black Belts or whatever else they wanted are now QQing that the way it is now is worse when they're being givin a fair chance to fight kings for shit that they might still possibly want.

[Rambus]

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

I just wanted to point this out and i like one of the tags of this thread, evil genie lol

[Karinya_of_Carbuncle]

If the 10 people who stood around a king pop spot for 3 hours instead went and farmed KS for 3 hours, chances are they would get *at least* 99 KS (not all on the same person, but over time it works out the same).

Also, NPC level cap will be going up, so for anyone who bothers to do that, they will be leveling their NPC and get more KS that way. Maybe not 99 per player, but people who have 250 now will go over 300, etc.

[Rambus]

If the 10 people who stood around a king pop spot for 3 hours instead went and farmed KS for 3 hours, chances are they would get *at least* 99 KS (not all on the same person, but over time it works out the same).

Also, NPC level cap will be going up, so for anyone who bothers to do that, they will be leveling their NPC and get more KS that way. Maybe not 99 per player, but people who have 250 now will go over 300, etc.

who said I had to sit those 3 hours stright?

sorry time spent in old way would be a lot less then this craptatic update.

[darkShirou]

If the 10 people who stood around a king pop spot for 3 hours instead went and farmed KS for 3 hours, chances are they would get *at least* 99 KS (not all on the same person, but over time it works out the same).

Also, NPC level cap will be going up, so for anyone who bothers to do that, they will be leveling their NPC and get more KS that way. Maybe not 99 per player, but people who have 250 now will go over 300, etc.

I just finished doing pages in cape teriggan: ~2 hours, 12 pages, 4 bs, 1 ks.

This update can go die in a fire.

[MarkovChain]

If the 10 people who stood around a king pop spot for 3 hours instead went and farmed KS for 3 hours, chances are they would get *at least* 99 KS (not all on the same person, but over time it works out the same).

Also, NPC level cap will be going up, so for anyone who bothers to do that, they will be leveling their NPC and get more KS that way. Maybe not 99 per player, but people who have 250 now will go over 300, etc.

No they won't. 1 Kindred seal or 1 beastmean's seal drops within 5 min at beats if you solo.
On average 10 minutes for 1 kindred's seal, since both have equal droprates, so in 3 Hours you will get ... 18 kindred seals. Facepalm. The only efficient way to farm kindred seals on different accounts whose invo are full then have invite you when it drop so you can lot it. If you have for instance 6 friends farming for yourself, each will get 18 KS on avergae per 3 hours and that would be about 1 KS99 every 3 hours for 6 people wasting their time for yourself. If you have an alt, that himself has say 2 mules that are able to farm you totalize 4*18=72 kindred seals per 3 hours.

Keep in mind that Kindred seals are subject to treasure hunter (obviously) so you are unlikely to get the next right after the 5 minutes limit mark, which means that since it's not a super high droprate you will spent a few minutes after the 5' mark until you get a seal (that can only be a BS or a KS for low level mobs with level > 50). You should spend about 7-8 minutes between each seal realistically, or about ~15 minutes for a kindred seal. In the end you are looking at

- 12 kindred 's seal per 3 hours solo.
- 72 kindred's seals per 3 hours if you farm on 6 characters.
- 216 seals per 3 hours if you farm on 18 characters, good luck with that.

Good luck gathering even 6 friends to farm non stop for 3 hours just for yourself.

Basically your 10 characters in your exemple will only get the 99+ seals on average ( so your at least is wrong) and ONLY if they have a decent treasure hunter on every mob.

Seing as all of the HnM can be duoed or soloed right now I'd say it sucks plainly.
I feel bad for the noobs trying to get a BB. This definitely excludes every casual gamers from the BB scene for one ( who cares, if those care for z BB they are porbably not casual anyway), and since noone "exp" nowadays, newbs don't have KS, so the newplayers will not get their BB either at least until a LONG time.

[Runespider]

Been trying to get turtle for months, and the large group of campers I have to compete daily with has never changed, only increased in size. This update is pathetic and doesn't address the issues at all.

You don't even need a BB, it's a luxury epeen item..and this new system will be easy as pie. Some people really don't deserve to get a BB, this system is so easy you probably will get one but from your whiney posts I hope you don't.

No they won't. 1 Kindred seal or 1 beastmean's seal drops within 5 min at beats if you solo.
On average 10 minutes for 1 kindred's seal, since both have equal droprates, so in 3 Hours you will get ... 18 kindred seals. Facepalm.

Guess you shouldn't of been throwing the KS then? I've stockpiled enough for 8 KS99 orbs since I had no use for KS, if you don't like the new system then maybe don't do it and use brown belt. Some players are so lazy they deserve to be brown belt monks.

[ShadowHeart]

there are some of us who just like the time spawn camps the thrill of the hunt not necessarily the drops

[MarkovChain]

You don't even need a BB, it's a luxury epeen item..and this new system will be easy as pie. Some people really don't deserve to get a BB, this system is so easy you probably will get one but from your whiney posts I hope you don't.



Guess you shouldn't of been throwing the KS then? I've stockpiled enough for 8 KS99 orbs since I had no use for KS, if you don't like the new system then maybe don't do it and use brown belt. Some players are so lazy they deserve to be brown belt monks.

8 KS99 is not enough to get a BB.

[Runespider]

8 KS99 is not enough to get a BB.

If I wanted one I would be working on more KS right now, I like to work for my gear though so that might be lost on many here.