[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Tsuneo]

People should really stop talking about botting it's ridiculous why don't you go back to 2005.

[Anewie]

Inorite. The only things that were botted mainstreamly werte those retarded three kings. Why would you put rare mobs hat drop the best gear in a tiny corner like that? You can say people botted cerb,khim,tia but lol. But yeah, that didn't happen often. More like, it was more a race or having a hold party ready. DI/SW were unbottable. Did people use windower/spot type program? yes, but those people LOST against shells that actually paid attention to scanning. Botting really wasnt a big issue outside kings, which are now gone and have been obselete for a long time.

[Xlide]

Couldn't agree more with OP. Square-Enix has been taking so many steps forward for this game as of late. This is a HUGE step back. This is something the old development team would've done. By making us do farm 99KS, do KS99, kill NQ, and then finally kill HQ, you are wasting the players time. I personally do not want something wasting my time.

Why not lower respawn to 12 hours? And have no 3 hour, illogical window. Lower drop rates if you think that Kings drops are so still so so precious.

But just a heads up, they aren't. Ridill is not worth the time. The only drop worth it on Kings is the defending ring.

[ShadowHeart]

its pretty bad that monk (abyssea's sudden fad job) is the one getting messed with... never mind the poor pld who almost no one uses anymore because not enough proc's can't kill fast enough or whatever reasons u want to use but bunch people get on a kick about monk because of abyssea and have to destroy a fun tradition that goes back to this games origins camping NM's and HNM's..... if things aren't easy enough now for people they could just increase the drop or spawn rate or add mobs that drop the items but myself i been playing for years now and love the camps the adrenaline rush of getting the claim even if u didn't get the drop the hours of boredom which made you interact with ur fellow players and actually make friends and bonded linkshells and friendships helping each other. Now... goto 90 in a week no ls grab a cruor burn go brew an nm pause it on npc, martello or whatever and brew hold so u can get all ur +1 / +2 gear and make like u been playing for years... there are still some of us out here who party outside abyssea camp nm's and just enjoy the community / linkshells and friendships.

[Starcade]

People should really stop talking about botting it's ridiculous why don't you go back to 2005.

Should I add the rest of your post??

The point that stopping talking about it just continues to enable it, so why not us just shut up about it?

[Xlide]

Square-Enix. As a 6 year costumer, here is a suggestion. Make a poll.

Have 3 options:

1) I agree with the HNM changes
2) I do not agree with the HNM changes.
2) I want the HNM system to change, but not like this. Please form a new method.


The forums were meant to get feedback from the players, right? So please try to get more feedback before you make such a drastic change.

[Tsuneo]

Should I add the rest of your post??

The point that stopping talking about it just continues to enable it, so why not us just shut up about it?

You must have been living under a rock since Abyssea came out. I don't even know what botting people are complaining about anymore. You people keep talking about it but it hasn't happened for quite awhile now. Sure individual people might still do it, but it's not on the massive scale it was before. The topic of botting isn't relevant to this update because no one cares enough anymore to bot them.

[ShadowHeart]

most of us can go up and still see tiamat walking around or old Jorg or even cerebus.... the only reason behemoth nihdogg and the turtle are camped right now is the huge kick for monks because of abyssea.... lol i remember fighting 20 others for marlboro cave spawns it was a rush now summon carbie fill ur inventory with crap stand ur buddy at entrance and goto bed... carbi kills it when it agro's u and buddy gets his drop and all done pathetic but unfortunately true... seen it done

once 95 gear comes out and a new fad job comes out these will be the camped NM of the day but really once this fad is over those of us who just like to run out and kill an nm or HNM fun cause its there like arthro or serket just because its about and reminisce you can't u will have to make a whole alliance party collect 99 seals ... then i going to have to farm more seals to pop the dynmis nm's LOL

[Randwolf]

You must have been living under a rock since Abyssea came out. I don't even know what botting people are complaining about anymore. You people keep talking about it but it hasn't happened for quite awhile now. Sure individual people might still do it, but it's not on the massive scale it was before. The topic of botting isn't relevant to this update because no one cares enough anymore to bot them.

You are most likely correct in this case. I think some of the fear surrounds S/E introducing new HNM's that drop superior gear and are claimed under the old method. As a former HNMLS member, I certainly see the botters returning if the old HNM spawn system returns and that is what drops some of the best gear in the game. Because making that claim would both better equip your members as well as making huge bank on sales to buyers.

As far as popping the old Kings, the more I think about this system, the more I like it. Primarily because the biggest complaints were the long windows between spawns and the claim system. So, S/E has said "Okay, you get to fight these without having to worry about others cheating to make the claim. And we won't make you stand around in a single zone once every 21 hours. But, we also are not going to make it so you walk into a zone, kill a few mobs, pop the HNM, and then repeat it until you get the drop. There will be some effort on your part."

And, there are very few drops from the Kings that are really worth very much anymore. Perhaps Black Belt and Defending Ring? Add to that the fact S/E has mentioned an item akin to the BB being introduced and the BB may very well drop off that list. So, quite honestly, if you only wanted the experience of fighting these NM's, then it would be a one time trip through this system.

The more responses I see to this, the more apparent it is that there is a group that you can't please unless the game is as easy as playing Solitaire. Truly, those people need to grab some sack and realize that while they will get some concessions, this game will not turn into an all-nighter and you're done like single player RPG's.

[Susake]

This is stupid. I can almost guarantee that 2 months from now Fafnir and the other kings will only be popping once a week because no one will have KS anymore.