[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[thefinalrune]

I can't wait to see the GM calls when people get out claimed on their popped NM.

- The NM will despawn if unclaimed for 90 seconds at the spawned location.

Pretty sure that implies that the kings will pop unclaimed. Boy what a fun voke fest that will become. Why bother camping or seal farming when you can just steal someone else's pop?

[Quetzacoatl]

Oh, sorry, 2008.

Anyway, what makes you think if they did something more efficient like make the NQs pop every 3-6 hours that people be paying "10m" for a BB?

Most LSs probably would not even camp it as it not be worth the money. You would have little groups of friends low man it and charge that. The same people that sell Loki's Kaftan for 3m in Port Jeuno because people are dumb and buy it. We should make him a KSNM force pop too to solve it!

You can't compare Turul to an HNM that spawns once or twice every week. You just can't.

[Orson]

No one uses with your staff and it causes you to have these ideas worthy of multiple facepalms. I am also not trying to derail this thread. Threads evolve and change with the discussion, and expecting one to stay on topic is simply against human nature.

People are not lazy for not wanting to do something absolutely boring and annoying. It is easier to have a ToD and get lucky with a pop soon after getting there. Even if it does not pop right away you have 30 minutes to have a real life. People do actually have those even if you seem to ignore that fact by wanting them to spend hours upon hours farming EPs in a six man group (once again, that will not really happen in such numbers commonly). You get 30 minutes to go do laundry, homework, clean the dishes, and so on.

Saying it is lazy to not spend hours farming KSs out of a preference to claim a time spawn like saying you want to get off a highway to travel on some dirt road because the highway is for lazy people with cruise control in their cars who don't have to even keep their foot on the pedal.

Please, find a little sense.

It's pretty sad you have to resort to trying petty insults about a double entendre in my sig. I also find it funny that you think I'm retarded because I think that you should actually have to play the game in order to be rewarded.

Lazy is by definition is an aversion to work or effort. Camping as you say is not really much effort because you can leave the game in between windows. Given your admission saying you prefer to camp over farming pops is confirming that you want to take a route that for you is easier and requires essentially less effort on your part. That is laziness unless you're just deluding yourself. I can understand you're saying the game should be fun and farming EPs is just plain boring but you also seem to be arguing that this system is worse than the previous. By your own admission you would rather be rewarded for randomly getting lucky than putting in a shred of effort. The new system a least makes sure the person is actually putting some effort into getting pops.

Rather than provide any ideas as to what a better system would be. You feel the need to deride anyone who is ok with these adjustments. I guess it's easier just to wish the death of countless people because they make suggestions you don't agree with you. That's obviously what any sensible person would suggest. We should eat bleach and die because you're so much superior then all us mouthbreathers.

Also as a note I'm not against them keeping the old system in addition to this one. It still stands though that unless BB items are like 10-20% drop rate off HQ kings this is a better system than the current.

[Sp1cyryan]

It's pretty sad you have to resort to trying petty insults about a double entendre in my sig. I also find it funny that you think I'm retarded because I think that you should actually have to play the game in order to be rewarded.

Lazy is by definition is an aversion to work or effort. Camping as you say is not really much effort because you can leave the game in between windows. Given your admission saying you prefer to camp over farming pops is confirming that you want to take a route that for you is easier and requires essentially less effort on your part. That is laziness unless you're just deluding yourself. I can understand you're saying the game should be fun and farming EPs is just plain boring but you also seem to be arguing that this system is worse than the previous. By your own admission you would rather be rewarded for randomly getting lucky than putting in a shred of effort. The new system a least makes sure the person is actually putting some effort into getting pops.

Rather than provide any ideas as to what a better system would be. You feel the need to deride anyone who is ok with these adjustments. I guess it's easier just to wish the death of countless people because they make suggestions you don't agree with you. That's obviously what any sensible person would suggest. We should eat bleach and die because you're so much superior then all us mouthbreathers.

Sorry, I can not reply to you about how I find your points to be [strike]stupid[/strike] silly and nonsensical, and how I think this could have been better done because I will get another email from SE and probably lose access to playing FFXI.

EDIT: SE also ninja edited their OP.

[Orson]

Ya I thought so you can't come up with a reasonable argument that doesn't evolve insulting someone.

[Sp1cyryan]

Ya I thought so you can't come up with a reasonable argument that doesn't evolve insulting someone.

Dear good sir. I respectfully have to decline to respond to your points. In fact I have to go back and delete my posts because SE is sending me modification emails left and right.

EDIT: Anyway, since hopefully there is nothing else SE will ban me for saying (since it must all be nice and fluffy apparently) I am going to go back to AH.com as I am being e-thuged out of here via email. If you actually do care for a response Orson I will give you one there, and will be somewhat serious about it as a treat.


Hmm, let me sneak something relevant in here.

Dear devs, balance the KC and KS drop rate a little more than pretty much always having a KC drop and this will be a non-issue.

[RAIST]

Fafnir : Wyrm Beard removed
Nidhogg : Drop rate of Wyrm Beard decreased
Behemoth : Behemoth Tongue removed
King Behemoth : Drop rate of Behemoth Tongue decreased
Adamantoise : Adamantoise Egg removed
Aspidochelone : Drop rate of Adamantoise Egg decreased

what the .....??!! Why they gotta go and mess with the drops like that? It was only what--5-10% on the NQ's already. And dropping the rate on the HQ???!! After jumping through all the hoops to get to the fight, and you don't get the item and you have to start all over again? This is a just one big clusterf...

Fail.

[Gadanae]

Good game SE, this ranks right up there with relieving Abyssea congestion by adding seals to the visions zones.

Umm.... not trying to be a jerk here but how does it cause MORE congestion in Abyssea zones when MORE mobs are being added that drop the items?? What we have is congestion now..... I personally hate having to basically fight for mobs for seals. Sorry, but what you are saying here is preposterous in my opinion.

[darkvision]

People complain about people botting HNMs so SE finally does something about it,
Result = Lots of people QQing

People say that the gear is obsolite from HNMs, so SE changes the system since no one really cares,
Result = lots of people QQing(mostly people saying the gear is now obsolite)

People complain about other monopolizing the HNMs and you have to have a substantial amount of gil to complete Black belt, SE changes it
Result = Lots of people QQing

People say HNM is a dead scene so SE make changes,
Result = Lots of people QQing

so basically anything that gets complained about should stay as they are? coz if SE makes a change to a dead system you just complain even more? what the hell is people's problem?

TBH the system is dead and should make these HNMs more accessible. i personally quite like this idea of making the HNMs popable since this eliminates botters and monopolization. also BB quest become more leasurable.

imo people who complete BB should NOT get an atma for it. what to other jobs get? thats right nothing

people want to see changes so SE makes changes you all complain more. people say that HNMs sit untouched for hours and sometimes days coz onone really wants to do them now coz the gear is obsolite. or is all the QQing about the following:-

1) you all dont have any Kindred Seals?
2) used them all?
3) tossed them coz KS99 is dead?

i think this is the main reason for all the cimplaining about this change, having almost 1300 KS's is nice, now i have something thats worth using em for.

end of the day if you get forexample 6-12 people and spam KS99 then you spam Fafnir then you spam Nidhogg, you still get to fight it more often. oh wait, i get it, people thinking how they can benift/profit/get more out of it than anyone else, thats all its about. i personally dont mind using KS's for others to get the BB item

i am all for the change and cant wait for it and before you say that i am all for "easy mode" i aint, i dont even have mnk leveled, its level 1

and to be honest people need to get out abyssea more

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I don't mind this way, but I have two issues.

1. If you happened to die after wasting 99 KS, fighting the Adamantoise for a KI and then someone can just wait around to steal it. Then it's messed up.

2. Why lessen the drop of the only item people do this for?