[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Rambus]

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

[Karbuncle]

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

[Rambus]

I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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......
E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.

[Karbuncle]

old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.

As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

[Rambus]

As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

I only see people shouting for KB KSNM groups for the KB path ( meaning no one will do apsid because everyone will want D ring)

the result of this update with meny factors that are put into it will make getting BB items harder, well egg anyway.

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the shit happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

telling people to go level in old area for KS??? that joke? that does not fix the dommance of abyssea did to this game.

[Greatguardian]

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

[niwaar]

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd.

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

[Rambus]

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

I just wanted to point this out and i like one of the tags of this thread, evil genie lol

[Greatguardian]

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

You guys wanted "An incentive to leveling outside of Abyssea". Kindred Seals are now relevant again, heck they're more relevant than they have ever been before, and they can only be obtained outside Abyssea from monsters level 50-80. That is the single biggest incentive they could possibly give to Non-Abyssea EXP aside from completely locking Abyssea itself. And that just is not going to happen. Would you prefer that they straight up paid you gil to EXP outside Abyssea? Added new items to Conquest Points? Unless they're adding Ridill, Ebody, Dring, Nlegs, Nhead, Abody, and Speed Belt to Conquest Points I think you're getting a much better deal this way.

At the same time, this does not harm any of the players who want to Leech in Abyssea. If they want to burn a job from 30-90, they can still do so. They simply will not get any Kindred Seals, and thus will choose to lose out on the option of getting Black Belt items and other King items. It is now a conscious choice that the player makes, and there are real benefits to both sides.

And just a heads up, it looks like a lot more than "A small handful" of people are freaking out about Black Belts. I highly doubt there will be problems finding someone in dire need of Kindred Seals. As for limiting King content, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know what server you're on, but on Cerberus the only people who fought pretty much any land kings for the 8 years prior to Abyssea were all basically the same 2 linkshells (Which reformed over and over and over into what became the same 3 linkshells). Anyone who didn't want to join those shells never saw a single king outside of Nyzul Isle. This change will allow anyone with a KS99 orb to fight Fafnir, Nidhogg, Aspid, or King Behemoth. You're crazy if you think this is somehow making these NMs Less accessible.

[Tannlore]

You guys wanted "An incentive to leveling outside of Abyssea". Kindred Seals are now relevant again, heck they're more relevant than they have ever been before, and they can only be obtained outside Abyssea from monsters level 50-80.

This is a case of: Careful what you wish for, you might get it. I love this part of the update. Forced poped HNM, long overdue.