[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Sparthos]

At least in the old system you could buy it by offering enough gil, assuming people actually camped this shit which I doubt.

And you can't offer gil through the new system by sitting in Aery/BD/VoS and watching alot (don't even try to spin this that ppl wont pop more than a single HQ over 3-9 days) more people pop HQ and get BB item drops? This benefits people who want to throw gil at shit as well.

Hell, you could sit in KS99 zones now since the popularity of spamming these runs will increase at least for the first week or two before people tap out on kindred seals.

tl;dr BB just got easier, quit QQin.

[blowfin]

What ? lol

Only the KSNM Pop item is 100%, the NQ one isnt.

So the path is:
Run around fighting mobs to get 99 KS's
Fight KSNM (Requiring friends i guess?) for 100% drop on pop
Fight NQ for a RANDOM drop of HQ
Fight HQ (Requiring friends also) for a RANDOM+DECREASED drop of the Black-belt item.

So you cant really do this solo like you could before. And the drop rate is decreased

So they ninja edited the update, sue me. It`s 100% on NQ and something else for HQ. Which we don`t know yet, which means any numbers being thrown about any drop rates are pure speculation.

Some speculation of my own though (and i`m scarily accurate): I`d say you still have a better chance of getting your item from the HQ king than claiming any of the current HNM and getting the drop. Plus they don`t seem to be planning to remove BB items from the KS fights themselves.

Also, If you could solo it, why haven`t you done it yet?

[Kindra]

Bots are really no longer a concern as far as kings go, Since most HNM's aren't camping them like they used to.

[Vaughn]

I'm honestly embarrassed for the people complaining about this change, how hard is it for you to understand their motives?

Camping kings is still hard (if there's any competition for the spawn) and very time consuming, and SE doesn't want you to be able to force your feelings of entitlement on your LS/friends just because you stood in Abyssea for a day on a certain job.

If you're still having trouble understanding this, I'll give an example. Pretend this is 2003/2004. If you're in an LS that is completing DOMINATING at claiming spawns, you're more likely to level a new job just to be able to collect gear from your LS.

It's putting an infinite workload on the people around you just because something is/became easier (claims back then, leveling jobs now)

The people who are still highly committed to their newly leveled job will either spend their KS's accordingly, or plow through mobs solo for their chance at king gear.

[Staren]

Um... I guess you didn't read this before you posted it...




"...right of passage... earned through gil..." Seriously? This is why the HNM ls's camped the things so much. Idiots that think it is EARNING the BB by paying someone to use RMT like methods to get them the items is just... ... moronic. Sorry, I stuck idiots and moronic in the same sentence... Why not make it so we can just buy the BB for 6mil from an npc, if using gil is a justified "right of passage"?

It was a right of passage because not only did you have to find the gil or do the ksnm's or claim an nq and pray for a drop (which I got my tongue from an nq drop and my beard through ksnm I had to buy my egg). So yes I consider it a right of passage showing up for nq pop windows and making sure you were on for the hq for a chance to buy it everyday for a month or two. For people who think its so easy to buy a blackbelt get the money and try to get it faster than a month. Other than luck being on your side or already being in one of the hnm ls's I doubt it would happen. So think before you call someone moronic. Because some of us earned our black belts. Not everyone completely buys one.

[Rabidelly]

This just... ugh.... sucks. Since things aren't camped much at all anymore, this seems really unnecessary. Currently, if you want something from hnm you just need some friends who are willing to show up and help you out. With this update, you have to use 99 (seriously?) kindred seals to simply get a pop item (most of the other drops aren't worth all that much now, iirc) and then another fight to get your drop. Given how long it takes to get 99 seals (remember how long it took when you did xp on non-abyssean mobs?) this just makes it harder, I would think, to get said items.

I'm all for pop items used for some nm's, but they should have done this a long time ago when it actually would have mattered. I also think if they made it 40 or 50 seals or something like that rather than 99, it would be a better solution. Just glad I got what I needed from them a long time ago...

[Vold]

I don't understand why they couldn't have just had us killing the surrounding monsters at the pop locations to get pop items. It works great on other monsters they adjusted awhile back like Alky.

Now, I say this as a person who currently doesn't really need anything off of these kings, though a abj or two might be okay for completion sake but still... I feel this is a terrible system. Requiring 99 KS aside, the turtle is still a bitch to this day. I don't even know what the point is at this point to even changing these HNM pop conditions. There aren't many people camping them. Yeah, sure, okay. They don't roam for days at a time but still.

And I'm not sure how this change is supposed to drag people back to other areas of the game so I don't know why that is even brought up by people. It drags monks back into the rest of the game. That's about it. I mean, it's great that SE is finally giving in but it's 8 years too late. Tons of casual players have waited years for the hardcore playerbase to move on from HNMs. They were blocked for so very long. Now they are free to go after them only for the game to be changed up at this point and make it even HARDER for them to attain the items they've wanted for ages. That is why this change hurts. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Killing darters or manticores or ..... or.... oh.... right.... KB doesn't have jack squat in his area to kill. At least not EP wise. I really hope KSNM wasn't their answer to the lack of mobs to kill for pop items in KBs hometown. Like seriously just let the too weaks drop it.... anyways killing monsters around the pop areas "should" be the way to go, with NQ drop rates lowered severely(namely Fafnir and ridill), with HQ pop items from that being low drop rates. But it's like whatever to me, I don't actually need anything from these things aside from abj for my collection and a defending ring, and the ring isn't worth my time right now. Got too much to do and too little time to do it all. But I feel bad for people who were blocked for so many years only to be blocked yet again by SE. Good luck killing the KS NMs, is all I can say. I guess it's better to at least have a chance than none at all, in regards to the level cap raise, for what it's worth.

And phew, glad I hit up Fafnir/Nidhogg before this change went in.

[Korpg]

Who knows, maybe they might lower the rate of seals used to get orbs to enter these battlefields....

...or convert the seals to crests

Maybe gives us alternate ways to obtain the orbs. Like 99 KSs, OR 50 KCs, OR 25 HKCs.

[Greatguardian]

I don't understand why they couldn't have just had us killing the surrounding monsters at the pop locations to get pop items. It works great on other monsters they adjusted awhile back like Alky.-snip-

Dring flooding and ??? crowding would reach record highs. Behemoth's Dominion would become the new Port Gukumatz's Aery.

[Korpg]

Dring flooding and ??? crowding would reach record highs. Behemoth's Dominion would become the new Port Gukumatz's Aery.

Good, that means I can get shit done 1-3 weeks after the update without having to worry about people trying to kill me