[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[pheare]

I don't get why people are so mad over this? They obviously take good news and twist it into terrible news. This is obviously 10000% better for getting D. Ring and other gear. And if your main concern is BB item then just stay in behemoth's dominion the day after the update and ask one of the hundreds of groups popping KB if you can buy their tongue... Hell, some may even give it away for free.

Don't have gil? Farm 99 KS(Which you should have anyway). Find a group that is only going for D ring and tell them you'll go with them and use your 99 KS. I'm sure they'll give you tongue for another chance at a HQ pop. Even farming 99 KS by yourself and finding a group like that is going to net you the tongue a whole hell of a lot faster than you would ever get it the way things are now.

People bitch and whine over everything without even thinking about how good this is.

[Rambus]

I don't get why people are so mad over this? They obviously take good news and twist it into terrible news. This is obviously 10000% better for getting D. Ring and other gear. And if your main concern is BB item then just stay in behemoth's dominion the day after the update and ask one of the hundreds of groups popping KB if you can buy their tongue... Hell, some may even give it away for free.

Don't have gil? Farm 99 KS(Which you should have anyway). Find a group that is only going for D ring and tell them you'll go with them and use your 99 KS. I'm sure they'll give you tongue for another chance at a HQ pop. Even farming 99 KS by yourself and finding a group like that is going to net you the tongue a whole hell of a lot faster than you would ever get it the way things are now.

People bitch and whine over everything without even thinking about how good this is.

do you guys understand how the system wil work based on notes???

get 99 KS

enter KSNM

get a small chance of BB item with useless crap no one buys anymore and at lest 1 pop item for NQ

pop NQ

do not get BB item
Do not get HQ item even after a few attempts.

system is good? ya right

to me people are saying kings as force pop so must be good, uh no it is not

[Kensagaku]

Not really. New players can EXP outside of abyssea rather than keyleech. Those who don't have many KS are out of luck, yes, but it's not that hard to farm them. Heaven forbid you do some work just to get some KS for an item you want. Heaven forbid something take effort.

People asked for something, were vague about it. This is the result. Congrats. ^^

[Henihhi]

Well if you don't want to farm the ks or camp the hnms wtf do you want SE to do for you? Thousands have obtained the black belt in the past, yes it was a pain in the ass, but seriously- do you want to just log in and have it in your inventory? And honestly at lvl 90 it is not that hard to go farm kses for a day. SE decides to release something that suits all of the complaints that have been spammed on here and yet you all are still not happy.Go lvl a job outside abyssea til 80 or so and i guarantee you will have enough ks to do the ksnm lol

[SNK]

99 Kindred's Seals is a little extreme, especially since most of the gear dropped by these mobs are obsolete. For people who don't have thousand's of seals at their disposal, this method is popping is much slower than where it stands now.

No it's not. If you've played for as long as most people have getting 99 Seals is nothing. Hell I'm sitting on close to 1400 myself which means a lot of people will get stuff off my pops.

And seriously some of you people have had years to obtain Black Belt items before this was annouced. Hell i got my items when my damn MNK was only level 37. This is much better for those of us who still want to get BB items without having to pay for em.

Truth be told I'm only semi interested in Ebody just to finally finish my last piece of King Gear.

[Toren]

Try more along the lines of once per month unless your paying for the items. Honestly this is not about being lazy its about requiring 3-4 weeks of soloing 4-8 hours a day for one fight. I've sit patiently farming the same mobs for 4-8 hours a day many many times and would do it again if my real life permitted. I have my black belt I'm not fighting on my own behalf I'm fighting for those who don't have these items. and its actually 297 seals for just one chance at all 3..., I've worked with camps for years. I've straight camped Tiamat (yes 8+ hours at one camp alone) up into early morning hours and I do not complain about the current system in place for them or kings, however I do not think it should be changed into this.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Does not matter if people have stored KS, that is a weak pro-argument for this update.

you are basically saying screw you to newer players and players that do not have many KS from trying to get said items in the past.

do you guys understand how the system wil work based on notes???

get 99 KS

enter KSNM

get a small chance of BB item with useless crap no one buys anymore and at lest 1 pop item for NQ

pop NQ

do not get BB item
Do not get HQ item even after a few attempts.

system is good? ya right

You make it sound like the system is already in place >_>

I do believe this is a dev discussion thread.. and all of it is subject to change...

Force pops are a good thing... lets hope they add multiple ways to obtain these force pops

[Greatguardian]

Naw, it should be changed to something easier than Kings because the bulk of the people who hated Kings were unable to do them.

Protip: Attentive players can, and always have been able been able to outclaim bots.

[pheare]

do you guys understand how the system wil work based on notes???

get 99 KS

enter KSNM

get a small chance of BB item with useless crap no one buys anymore and at lest 1 pop item for NQ

pop NQ

do not get BB item
Do not get HQ item even after a few attempts.

system is good? ya right

to me people are saying kings as force pop so must be good, uh no it is not

Yes, I do understand. From what I gather it's like VNMs, except tier 1 is a 100% Drop. Seems more than fair to me.

SE is obviously making this easier, not harder. It's like their plans for dynamis. "Currency will be reduced but overall there will be more currency due to the amount you can do it" Or whatever they said.

[Tsuneo]

No it's not. If you've played for as long as most people have getting 99 Seals is nothing. Hell I'm sitting on close to 1400 myself which means a lot of people will get stuff off my pops.

And seriously some of you people have had years to obtain Black Belt items before this was annouced. Hell i got my items when my damn MNK was only level 37. This is much better for those of us who still want to get BB items without having to pay for em.

Truth be told I'm only semi interested in Ebody just to finally finish my last piece of King Gear.

Except people who made money off their KS's. I used majority of my KS back when Royale Ramble had a decent payout, so yeah not every is sitting on thousands of seals.

Buying black belts item isn't even a relevant topic nowadays. Unless someone is specifically there for the black belt item those NMs can just sit up for hours. So not having to buy the items is a poor excuse for the changes.

People always had an alternative to king gear. Majority of people wanted to cry about king gear, but at the same time were too lazy to do the alternative. I personally got my Ebody from Einherjar.