[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

[Orson]

Did you actually read the post? They giving us the ability to fight these way more often. You can farm KSs really really easily. Whether any people with fight anything other than King Behemoth will remain to be seen.

[Snaplin]

Did you actually read the post? They giving us the ability to fight these way more often. You can farm KSs really really easily. Whether any people with fight anything other than King Behemoth will remain to be seen.

That doesn't mean shit... Who has the time to sit and farm KS's off retarded mobs to get people to drag them out to a KS99 to kill for a pop to pop a NQ to pop an HQ to do that all over... At least the time was spanned over HQ/NQ days. People cried about 3hours... congrats spending even more time trying to get a pop for a effing HNM that's going to be 10x more pain in the ass to get an item off of.

[Chaani]

Good game SE, this ranks right up there with relieving Abyssea congestion by adding seals to the visions zones.

[Gadanae]

Good game SE, this ranks right up there with relieving Abyssea congestion by adding seals to the visions zones.

Umm.... not trying to be a jerk here but how does it cause MORE congestion in Abyssea zones when MORE mobs are being added that drop the items?? What we have is congestion now..... I personally hate having to basically fight for mobs for seals. Sorry, but what you are saying here is preposterous in my opinion.

[Chaani]

Umm.... not trying to be a jerk here but how does it cause MORE congestion in Abyssea zones when MORE mobs are being added that drop the items?? What we have is congestion now..... I personally hate having to basically fight for mobs for seals. Sorry, but what you are saying here is preposterous in my opinion.

Because said congestion is for contested mobs involving empyrean weapons turning Gukumatz's spawn area into Dragon's Aery circa 2007. But sure I guess you're right, maybe now I'll have one or two less full pink dancers camping Gukumatz.

[Orson]

That doesn't mean shit... Who has the time to sit and farm KS's off retarded mobs to get people to drag them out to a KS99 to kill for a pop to pop a NQ to pop an HQ to do that all over... At least the time was spanned over HQ/NQ days. People cried about 3hours... congrats spending even more time trying to get a pop for a effing HNM that's going to be 10x more pain in the ass to get an item off of.

If you have 6 people spend randomly 2 hrs farming KSs you'd have a pop approx every 2 hours 45 minutes (this being double the base time because I'd assume you'd get Bst seals too.) Being that's a 100% pop for NQ and HQ I'd say that's not bad at all. Seriously if you have problem with that then you're probably in one of 2 camps. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter or you're a lazy ass botter who enjoyed spending NM windows watching cartoons while waiting for your bot or your LS mates' bot to claim.

[Snaplin]

If you have 6 people spend randomly 2 hrs farming KSs you'd have a pop approx every 2 hours 45 minutes (this being double the base time because I'd assume you'd get Bst seals too.) Being that's a 100% pop for NQ and HQ I'd say that's not bad at all. Seriously if you have problem with that then you're probably in one of 2 camps. You want everything handed to you on a silver platter or you're a lazy ass botter who enjoyed spending NM windows watching cartoons while waiting for your bot or your LS mates' bot to claim.

Cool so I can spend 2 hours farming, gather for the NMs kill the KS 99, to pop the NQ to pop the HQ at a "chance" of some lower drop rate shit? On top of LS events and my already mile high "To-do-list" Instead of planning my time around an HNM and get stuff before,after and in between windows. Forgot Since I don't like this spawn BS i'm a botter or just want stuff easy right? Try harder everything is already "easy" all they did was make it more of a pain and time consuming.

[Orson]

Cool so I can spend 2 hours farming, gather for the NMs kill the KS 99, to pop the NQ to pop the HQ at a "chance" of some lower drop rate shit? On top of LS events and my already mile high "To-do-list" Instead of planning my time around an HNM and get stuff before,after and in between windows. Try harder.

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

[Snaplin]

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

I don't even camp that but I'm glad you can tell someone bots from a post on a forum cool more posts from the QQbot brigade. There are bots that can farm KS's while you afk so this makes no difference nor changes anything but the fact that you have to run to different zones and fight more then 1 mob and people w/o a BB go through more of a pain to get them, Nice try tho go cry about bots back in 2004 when SE didn't listen & HNMs ment something.

[KigenAngelios]

I see you're in the second camp. Cry harder now that you can't just sit on your ass waiting for you to luck out on getting gear. Also read the post only BB items drop rate is being reduced.

The point some of us are trying that some us are trying to make is that they are making these HNMs a near finite resource. Based on the math it takes 8hrs 15mins to gain 99 KS assuming you get every KS every time you could (KSs have a chance to drop only once ever 5mins and share a possible pool with KC, H.Q. KC, and BS) There is no level that you can only get a Kindred Seal (i.e. there will always be a shared pool). Coupled with the fact that Abyssea (i.e. high level mobs) make getting a Kindred Seal very rare also hurt us. Yes you can farm 8hr15mins+ solo on optimal KS farming mobs... but this is no where near equivalent to waiting 3hrs or so for a mob to spawn. Not even having a guaranteed drop means that the path to these items (incuding bb items, ridill-esque items, and abjs) means the effort heavily outweighs the reward which is bad game design at its best/worst.