A Ninja without Throwing...

[Akujima]

Actually eventually you can hit perfect in this game because it is finite, unlike rl where everybody is imperfect, in this game once you obtain all the gear and skills that could possibly pertain to a job then you are perfect. Granted the game is designed to make that take a very long time but it's still possible.

So no, in this game, when dealing with a single job there won't always be somebody better than you. The same level as you sure, but not better.

Yea, exactly. Because you're both just standing in 1 spot, mashing a couple of the same macro's, in the same gear, and you both look exactly the SAME... did I say same?

Part of the definition is knowing what not to do because it isn't efficient, and throwing isn't efficient. Therefore if you're using throwing you are not being "the best". End of story.

Example: Two Ninja's, exact same gear, exact same merits, etc, etc. Fighting a magic resistant boss... The boss starts flying... One Ninja, switches to his ranged attack gear, and to shuriken, doing damage to the boss while its in flight... The other Ninja stands around waiting for the boss to land, because he just wants to melee it.

Which Ninja is doing more damage?

Your arguments about morals and all that other bullshit do not apply to a game that deals with absolute numbers.

Since when did I pay $12.95 a month to play a freaking MUD?

If you are doing less damage than you could be doing, then you are being inefficient and wasting everybody's time during an event. There's no room for morals in that formula.

Again, calling you out on the fact that you complained about casuals yet you are the textbook definition of one. Saying this in a nicer way so as to not get my post edited. Please kindly leave; while there is room in this game for casuals, there isn't room for you spewing your white-knight bullshit on useless outdated ability that nobody cares about anymore, except for you. It can't possibly be fixed because of in-game limitations and balance issues, therefore, leave it alone.

Um... Would you like me to post screens of my playtime? I bet it's even more than you. Of course this is pre-abyssea playtime. Since then, I haven't been playing because it's boring and easy, with atma's that give you stat boosts through the roof.

The biggest mistake Square-Enix ever made, was firing the guy who was the lead developer of Chains of Promathia. Done and Done.

[Akujima]

And maybe if you were better at ninja, and bothered to learn how the game worked instead of wishing it worked differently, you could solo your kannagi instead of pleeding with people to do it for you. I solo'd half of mine at 85, I'm sure you could do it even easier at 90.

I actually don't do that. But according to your motto "faster is better", then it would help to have an LS wipe my arse, so I can get a really cooool looking weapon that I don't really give a crap about. Heck, it could be a gnarly tree branch with thorns on it, so long as it does good damage, then it will make me happy right?

[Kuishen]

Yea, exactly. Because you're both just standing in 1 spot, mashing a couple of the same macro's, in the same gear, and you both look exactly the SAME... did I say same?



Since when did I pay $12.95 a month to play a freaking MUD?



Um... Would you like me to post screens of my playtime? I bet it's even more than you. Of course this is pre-abyssea playtime. Since then, I haven't been playing because it's boring and easy, with atma's that give you stat boosts through the roof.

The biggest mistake Square-Enix ever made, was firing the guy who was the lead developer of Chains of Promathia. Done and Done.

Because of how easy af3 is to get and seeing as how it's the best right now, yeah you're gonna look the same, later on when they add more shit for the hardcore players it won't be as bad. But yes I agree that I hate looking like the same as everybody else, but there's a reason for that, and that is because the gear is good.

Have you ever played a MUD? Because they have a lot less numbers and a lot more RPing, something you should prolly switch to if that's how you want to play.

Playtime has nothing to do with being a casual you twat. Yeah sure you may have been playing longer than me but I guarantee you I'm better geared and more skilled at my jobs than you will ever be with this kind of retarded attitude you keep spewing all over these forums.

CoP was terrible gameplay-wise, I have no clue why you are bringing this up, way to dodge all arguments again.

[Karbuncle]

Okay, Really. First off, Play-time has nothing to do with Intelligence, Skill, or knowing what you're talking about. Some of the biggest idiots I know in the game always fall back on "I've played longer so I'm right" as their argument when their Stupid Is exposed.

You are being completely hypocritical. You are bickering and complaining about NIN's throwing not being strong enough(AKA ISNT DOING ENOUGH DAMAGE) , While in turn ranting about how no one cares about anything but Damage, even going so far as to compare this game to a FPS. Hypocritical

You're only argument for wanting this Role-play Narutard Bullcrap Throwing to be useful is that it was there in other games at that it NIN's by job should be RP Shuriken Throwers. By this logic, Ninja Gaiden includes Multiple weapons, Including Giant scythes... IDK about you but the Hayabusa clan was boss, Why aren't you complaining NIN doesn't have A+ Scythe Skill? In Ninja Gaiden he did.

IN past FF Games Ninja's could throw any weapon, So why limit it to Shuriken? How come i can toss my kanagi at the Enemy and permanently lose it like in past FF Games? It happened in other Final Fantasy games, I should be able to throw my Weapon and lose it forever with the chance of whiffing.

Past FF games were Turn based RPGs, FFXI is a Realtime MMORPG, They are so Fundamentally different comparing them is insane. Past FF games throwing was good because no matter what, You were attacking ONCE PER TURN. in FFXI, Things like Math, haste, Dual Wield, Etc all come into Play. These two types of games are fundamentally different, and unfortunately how FFXI is programmed Ranged-Attacks interrupt Melee Attacks, and create a action delay between your next attack. That and Shurikens barely give any TP at all.

SE gave Ninja a throwing skill for the reason you described, NIN had Throwing in the past, It made sense to give them Shuriken and Throwing. HOWEVER, It was obvious it was meant to be nothing more than Mediocre-Side Damage at early levels. You can stlil throw Shuriken Even if they're not great damage. You're Allowed to Roleplay.

Its your terrible arguments, Your bad excuses, your hypocritcal attitude, that is causing this negative Attention. We don't care if you Roleplay NIN, We don't care if you run around throwing Shurikens and making Naruto Macros. Just don't try to force your tired, played out, Gimp perspective on NIN like we're the wrong ones for playing the job right.

We do not hate you, I don't even entirely hate the idea of NIN's being able to utilize throwing more, its just that NIN is not designed to be the King of Ranged attacks in this game like he was in past games. we have Ranger for this. There is no reasonable non-game-breaking-way, logical way to buff NIN's throwing to a point it would be useful.

By all means, Sange every second its up, but don't act like we're the idiots or bad guys just because we don't want to RP like you.

[Akujima]

CoP was terrible gameplay-wise, I have no clue why you are bringing this up, way to dodge all arguments again.

I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

[Kuishen]

I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

Again you just dodge all reasonable arguments and try to insult people. No, I wasn't playing when CoP came out. I got my Rajas after they had nerfed it once or twice. The stupid restrictions on certain battlefields and other dumb shit that they put in just to cockblock people instead of adding real challenges was what I was referring to. Try harder next time.

[wish12oz]

I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

I love how you completely ignore everything said to you because you know you cannot argue against logic and math.
And if I had to guess, Kuishen is a knowledgeable player, the type of person who would read about missions or figure them out, and devise good strategies for how to win, and actually beat them. You on the other hand, are very bad at math and strategy in general. I would say he had a much better probability of beating CoP before you did.

[Akujima]

Karbuncle saying alot of stuff, defending the current system, with the usual "Naruto-Jab" tossed in there.

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

[Akujima]

Again you just dodge all reasonable arguments and try to insult people. No, I wasn't playing when CoP came out. I got my Rajas after they had nerfed it once or twice. The stupid restrictions on certain battlefields and other dumb shit that they put in just to cockblock people instead of adding real challenges was what I was referring to. Try harder next time.

So you think "cockblocking" is just an annoyance rather than a challenge?

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

[wish12oz]

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

If you don't like the game so much, why are you even here?