A Ninja without Throwing...

[Akujima]

You on the other hand, are very bad at math and strategy in general. I would say he had a much better probability of beating CoP before you did.

Do you even know why they fired the developer for CoP? Because all the Non-JP players were crying and leaving the game because "CoP is too difficult!, Heaven forbid we have to think!"

[wish12oz]

Do you even know why they fired the developer for CoP? Because all the Non-JP players were crying and leaving the game because "CoP is too difficult!, Heaven forbid we have to think!"

Did you even play when CoP missions were introduced? It was way to hard.
BTW I beat them all before they were nerfed in any way.

[Karbuncle]

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

These forums aren't only for perople who hate everything about FFXI because it doesn't mimic Ability-for-Ability the other FF Games.

Those of us who happen to like how the game plays, but still enjoy the idea of being a part of how it improves can also post here, this isn't a forum designed to just whine and complain and cry because people disagree with you.

I'm sorry but not every idea is a good one, I don't like everything about the game, But i certainly don't enjoy the idea of people like you giving SE the idea NIN's want Dual Wield nerfed so they can RP with Shurikens more.

Seriously, I'm starting to see why this thread is going on so long, all you do is completely dodge any reasonable argument and make stupid attempts and insulting people. You seriously have not offered 1 good reasonable suggestion for improving Throwing. The one you did would not make NIN's throwing any more useful at all.

Look, I don't see why you can't seem to grasp the idea that not every game needs some stupid cliche of a Ninja being some dark Shuriken throwing master of everything. Yes, Throwing in past FF was great, in FFXI it isn't, And there is absolutely no possible way outside of absolutely breaking everything we know about current Haste/Ranged Mechanics that will ever change this.

Deal with it.

And move on. If you don't like it, Go play another game. Or change jobs. This is reality, Reality isn't always a kind mistress, Sometimes you have to accept the thing you like will never be useful.

My favorite job is THF, you think i enjoy the fact that 99% of the community thinks outside of Abyssea all we're good for is Treasure Hunter? No. But I've actually suggested reasonable non-gamebreaking related ways to improve this, and if they don't get added, I'm not going to spend my entire day in a forum whinning my THF isn't RP'ing an Assassin and being able to 1-hit K.O Anything with Sneak Attack. And i certainly would not resort to insulting or name-calling anyone who disagrees with me.

Go look at my Personal Pet thread in the BST forums, Some people disagreed with my points, Did i call them names and belittle them? no, I addressed their points and respected their opinion the subject.

You do not respect any opinion but your own, and call anyone who disagrees with you random names and you dodge any counter-argument with insults.

[Akujima]

If you don't like the game so much, why are you even here?

I used to like it.

Now when I step into Abyssea, I feel like I'm in a shopping mall filled with angry rioters, trampling over people trying to get their next piece of gear.

[Fiarlia]

Please tell me which other Final Fantasy games you have played? Explain in which of those that "Throwing" was not a key feature to the Ninja Job or a Ninja-like Character?

Final Fantasy. Yes, the original. Ninjas didn't throw anything, they cast black magic. Not Ninjutsu versions, actual Black Magic spells.

Final Fantasy VII, though arguable. Granted, she uses a shuriken and throws it, but that's just her attack animation. This is only throwing in the graphical sense, not in the sense that Ninjas from other games throw stuff. It can be done by equipping the "Throw" Materia, but since every character can also equip this Materia, it doesn't really count as it's not specific to Ninja-like people (Yuffie).

Final Fantasy XII (International version, as the normal has no "jobs").

Final Fantasy XII Revenent Wings.

[Akujima]

And to sum up this thread.

Don't bother posting idea's. Because there will always be those slick program savvy zealots, ready to defend themselves in gangs.

ahh, screw it, im out...

[Fiarlia]

And to sum up this thread.

Don't bother posting idea's. Because there will always be those slick program savvy zealots, ready to defend themselves in gangs.

ahh, screw it, im out...

Wow, so you not only dodge out on when people try to provide logic and sound reasoning and math, but you ALSO dodge out and ignore posts that directly do what you asked? You asked what other FF games didn't have Throwing as a key feature of Ninjas, and I provided it, and you even ignored that!?

Wow. I'm actually surprised about that one. Not entirely sure why, in retrospect.

[Karbuncle]

There are DOZENS Of threads on this Forum with Great, Well Thought out Ideas that are getting a lot of positive feed back, From Players and Devs a like.

You're Idea is Not Well Thought out at all. All you did was say "Ninjas are suppose to be Shuriken Throwers, I want to RP with Shurikens, FFXI Sucks and i can't Throw things good, Fix it now"

I'm Paraphrasing. Its not that this community Isn't opened to Ideas, Its that your idea was nothing more than a longer "Hordecore" post. It offered no solutions, Just a "I hate this, Fix it" type structure.

This Community does not hate nor insult good, Well thought out, Creative ways to improve the game. Yours is none of this. You have no offered in 10 pages 1 Single, Coherent, Non-Game Breaking reasonable solution to the problem at hand.

The one you offered before would not change anything about how Ninja is played, and it felt like you just came up with it in 20 seconds while you responded.

We as a community love nothing more than to think of wonderful ways to improve our gaming experience, You're entitled to that as much as we are. However you need to be able to accept criticism as well, not everyone will agree with your idea.

Think things out first. You're receiving the same criticism in every single thread, its not that they dislike you, its simply the idea of Improving throwing is nearly impossible.

[Fiarlia]

Can't believe nobody mentioned this, but when a mob is flying, a NIN would likely be better off casting Ninjutsu nukes on it, rather than throwing shurikens.

And before guy says otherwise, I provided source in my previous post about how it is cannonical for Ninjas to be able to cast nukes, Ninjutsu or otherwise.

[Akujima]

There are DOZENS Of threads on this Forum with Great, Well Thought out Ideas that are getting a lot of positive feed back, From Players and Devs a like.

Ok, so you made the decision for me. Great.

I'm done, there's no point anymore. I'm just being tag-teamed and pummeled into the ground by the same posts of "it can't be done, forget about it" over and over again.

Idea's are there to be expanded upon, but in your first post, you basically closed the book without even trying to discuss it further, and then just made silly tags and called me a Naruto lover.

Here's to you.