Let us trigger yellow or blue weakness in abyssea

[Soundwave]

Summoner is imba anyway you look at it honestly. the answer is pretty much time productiveness, people are indeed fools to pass summoner up as a job its very underrated...however other jobs can just preform it better and more effectively. The thing that summoner gives us that other jobs don't is "hate free"

[Razushu]

I think SE did well in skipping SMN, since we have terrible timing potential, and failing means waiting for so long. If you have all day it is fine, but if others want to fight the NM it is not fun when a SMN is going to spend half an hour trying to trigger grellows.

actually just realised something how would we have to wait so long to see if we have proc it can only be one of 3 elements that means it'd take us a max of 2 minutes to find out if we have proc a 90 secs for most SMNs at this stage never seen a group get all the procs they want and kill an NM in 2 minutes esp. not a low man NM group

[Karbuncle]

Really.

I'm a SMN, and I'm going to say it. Stop being Selfish. You want Summoner Bloodpacts to be able to proc just so you can feel useful to those Idiots who deny you a spot. in reality all its going to do is bone the Rest of the playerbase into dragging 1 more body to every seal farm if they want to get Yellow "!!".

I understand wanting to feel useful, but maybe finish leveling your WHM. When people say "no SMN" you can call them Morons in RL and punch a wall, but then offer to come WHM.

I hate, Hate, Stupid ignorant players as much as the next person when it comes to their view on "Useless" jobs, But adding another set of Triggers isn't the solution. it will hinder every player in the game except SMNs, and even some SMNs who have other jobs it will hinder, Like me.

I understand your frustration 10 fold, This is just not the solution.

If anything, Just allow Teir IV Bloodpacts to act as weakness triggers like the BLM Teir IV nukes, so they can at least do something.

[Malamasala]

The thing that summoner gives us that other jobs don't is "hate free"

Hate free is trivial. Who cares if you get 0 hate when you do 500 damage and other jobs do 1000 damage and get hate for that? Even if you, as the Summoner, got all 500 damage worth of hate, the 1000 damage melee would still be tanking. The only moment hate free matters, is when you are the job dealing the highest damage. This will never happen unless you pet burn.

So many people don't understand that and think Summoners somehow are strong with their hate freeness. Of course you can't fool the masses that play other jobs, which is why you won't see them inviting Summoners saying "Hot, hate free damage at bird camp!".

[Razushu]

Really.

I'm a SMN, and I'm going to say it. Stop being Selfish. You want Summoner Bloodpacts to be able to proc just so you can feel useful to those Idiots who deny you a spot. in reality all its going to do is bone the Rest of the playerbase into dragging 1 more body to every seal farm if they want to get Yellow "!!".

I understand wanting to feel useful, but maybe finish leveling your WHM. When people say "no SMN" you can call them Morons in RL and punch a wall, but then offer to come WHM.

I hate, Hate, Stupid ignorant players as much as the next person when it comes to their view on "Useless" jobs, But adding another set of Triggers isn't the solution. it will hinder every player in the game except SMNs, and even some SMNs who have other jobs it will hinder, Like me.

I understand your frustration 10 fold, This is just not the solution.

If anything, Just allow Teir IV Bloodpacts to act as weakness triggers like the BLM Teir IV nukes, so they can at least do something.

your point of having to bring an extra person is moot as if ur in an alliance theres 18 people running around doing things chances are theres a smn in there anyway and as for low man i've yet to be in a 3~4 group that has WHM BRD NIN BLM and BLU anyway so they'll be missing some proc anyway which says to me people dont mind not rolling a full set of procs to begin with. Giving us tier iv procs would change absolutely nothing because BLM has them AND the rest of the BLM procs, leaving us where we are now.

[Zigou]

Well the solution could be simple....

Get rid of war by example as proc and put smn instead.... and then war will cry

So yes i am 100% for smn proc as pup as any pet job who as been forgotten.


more is better simple, and by the way SE why BP come as physical attack ( iam talking magic BP ),

smn not aloud to farm ligh also ????

So far we are doomed on perle, so much things we got for nothing to do....

So please SE reconsider your smn fellows and give them some fun in abyssea as the other job have too.

[Neonii]

I think smn BP should be able to proc the existing triggers. I have 12 Lieje Lanterns from soloing that NM and still don't have a sash. Every time I join a goup they refuse to proc blue because of his spikes (true story). It would be great to have BP abilities to proc existing triggers.

[Dallas]

1) Form pet squads. (I use 2-3)
2) Invite BLM and WAR to die for you.
3) Kill everything.

You weren't designed to play well with the popular kids, you were designed to thrive with the other unpopular kids. RDM, for example, is perfect at staying under avatar hate but above SMN hate. No one said the BLM or WAR have to do anything useful but proc.

[Frodnon]

in case you all forgot, our spirits do have all the proc spells of a blm.

[Suljin]

Depending on what your gear is and sub job, most of the higher level black magic spells have a similar recast, around 40ish seconds.