To the posters of this fourm, understand constructive criticism

[Ramsos]

Krystal has gotten what she deserves. Nothing more and nothing less. She alone is responsible for getting herself repeatedly trolled when she started trying to force her views on people and refused to have a civil argument with anyone who had a different point of view.

[rog]

>.> If you look at the overall population of trolls we have on the site, most of them are actually constructive posters who know what they're talking about and provide good information if it is asked for in a civil, polite manner. If people would learn to accept that their predefined, unproven notions are wrong (like I had the hardest time accepting that more DW on my NIN was better at first 'til I was proven wrong, thinking that I'd get less overall TP gain due to lowered per hit...) and simply listen to the logic pointed out for them, the majority of "trolls" would probably come off as pretty calm folks.

The problem is, as someone already posted, that a large majority of people start telling folks off for saying they're wrong or over a little bit of hurt pride. They have no sense of civility (again citing Krystal as a prime example) and often enough make ignorant or contradictory statements that make the majority of us wish we could reach through the internet to strangle them sometimes. Many of us are trying to prevent the spread of misinformation, because that will reflect on players who we may end up with in a party or shout group, who them use said misconceptions to decrease the overall quality of said group and potentially cause it to fail.

tl;dr Be nice, accept you can be wrong, and we'll be nice too. >.>

Sounds about right.

[Fiarlia]

>.> If you look at the overall population of trolls we have on the site, most of them are actually constructive posters who know what they're talking about and provide good information if it is asked for in a civil, polite manner. If people would learn to accept that their predefined, unproven notions are wrong (like I had the hardest time accepting that more DW on my NIN was better at first 'til I was proven wrong, thinking that I'd get less overall TP gain due to lowered per hit...) and simply listen to the logic pointed out for them, the majority of "trolls" would probably come off as pretty calm folks.

The problem is, as someone already posted, that a large majority of people start telling folks off for saying they're wrong or over a little bit of hurt pride. They have no sense of civility (again citing Krystal as a prime example) and often enough make ignorant or contradictory statements that make the majority of us wish we could reach through the internet to strangle them sometimes. Many of us are trying to prevent the spread of misinformation, because that will reflect on players who we may end up with in a party or shout group, who them use said misconceptions to decrease the overall quality of said group and potentially cause it to fail.

tl;dr Be nice, accept you can be wrong, and we'll be nice too. >.>

Pretty much this. Most of the people who "troll" Krystal and/or a few select other people have already tried having civil conversations with her. Many of us have tried being civil in pointing out errors in (their preconceived notions of) gameplay mechanics and/or logical errors resulting in incorrect assumptions as an end result. Logic is used, math is used (with and without work shown and/or links to where the formulas come from), and the only response any of us ever get from Krystal is a rageguy cliche'd response of "OMG STOP TROLLING" or the infinite variations of "NO U." Most everyone who has tried is now seeing that there's little good in trying to be civil any longer, as the same canned responses will be flung around whether or not we're actually trolling.

Civility is usually maintained when it comes to talks with other people that there may be disagreements with. For example, I've seen Analhelm (not sure if I'm spelling his name right, and I'm not singling him out to say he's always wrong, so don't take it as such) disagree with a number of the "prominent posters." Yet arguments between him and someone else who may usually "troll" Krystal never degrade to that level. Analhelm has shown to be mature, civil, logical, and I'm sure if he were to make a mistake he'd be willing to admit it if proven wrong.

There are a few other Krystals floating around out there, and I'd be willing to bet that they'll be equally "attacked" when they come out of the woodwork. So, meh.

[Hoshi]

To be honest I was tempted to hit report for the very first post in Krystal's previous thread. She did more to troll, flame, and bait people with misinformation in that thread than any of the people who replied to her. I do worry with some of the threads that people post about the level of frustration the community team must feel. I hope they won't mistake the crazed words of a few for a larger percentage of the population.

[Olor]

Civility is usually maintained when it comes to talks with other people that there may be disagreements with.

Yeah I often disagree with you but you've always been polite about it - and it is much appreciated.

[Fiarlia]

Yeah I often disagree with you but you've always been polite about it - and it is much appreciated.

Indeed, and this is a large example of what I (and others) talk about. Olor and I (and Olor vs. others of the "prominent posters") disagree on a number of things, it seems like, but politeness and civility and even manners (nowai man) are still there.

So despite the arguments and disagreements, I'd like to tell you I appreciate you not being a raving lunatic.

[Fiarlia]

To be honest I was tempted to hit report for the very first post in Krystal's previous thread. She did more to troll, flame, and bait people with misinformation in that thread than any of the people who replied to her. I do worry with some of the threads that people post about the level of frustration the community team must feel. I hope they won't mistake the crazed words of a few for a larger percentage of the population.

I did report the first post, it never got nuked.

[Karbuncle]

I did report the first post, it never got nuked.

I wanted to report it twice :|

[Fiarlia]

I wanted to report it twice :|

I'm guessing it wasn't nuked because of the post the GM made later on, about constructive criticism being welcome or some such. Though it wasn't constructive in the slightest. It was typical Krystal retardation.

[Karbuncle]

I'm guessing it wasn't nuked because of the post the GM made later on, about constructive criticism being welcome or some such. Though it wasn't constructive in the slightest. It was typical Krystal retardation.

I kinda feel sorry for the people who had to read this forum Daily Some of the topics make me wanna break my hand on a wall, if only to distract me from the pain i feel in my brain.

I think that Dev really wanted to say something else, But he can't technically be mean to a player... Oh boy its a job i don't think I Could do. I try to remain calm in debates/Conversations, But sometimes, especially when it comes to a certain, I literally cannot respond, Cause nothing i would say would not get me horribly ban-hammered.