To the posters of this fourm, understand constructive criticism

[rog]

This is why there should be a dislike button while it's negative it a much better way to disagree with someone

Or really just get rid of it entirely.

Speaking of which, i wonder how many people realize you can like your own posts?

[Karbuncle]

Or really just get rid of it entirely.

Speaking of which, i wonder how many people realize you can like your own posts?

Theres at least 2 people that do.

Also, When i give constructive criticism, and get back "HUR YOUR ELITIST YOU SUCK I HATES YOU YOUR IDEA IS DUMBZ IM RIGHTS YOUR WRONGS" then its on. Report > Reply is usually my method cause its the funniest to see their posts now deleted :\

In order for more people on this website to "play it cool" when it comes to obviously bad posts, The person Posting needs to have the same attitude. If you get some Tardwaffle complaining about an asinine subject and calling everyone a troll who responds with a different opinion, they simply invite the negative comments they get. Its a two way street. In order to get a civil conversation, You need to invite one.

BIG LETTERS and LOUD WORDS Don't invite civil conversation. Abusing CAPS LOCK KEY to get your point across makes you look like a tard :| (not you as in you, you as in "in general")

[Megatron]

i have been playing this game for so long and seen so much go down that its easier to spot the forum trends and the things that are happening. years a ago if a person up and out of no were offered you advice. you lestioned and took it and tried it. and low and behold it worked and you were a better player for it. do that now. and you get cussed berated and attacked for the smallest detail.

Example: abyssea dom opps party i'm capping Gaxe skill on my War. not even getting pages or x por merits. jsut ther skilling up Gaxe. i keep noticing our black mages falling over dead. every pull at least one would die. now being a Lead blm in a end game shell for over 5 years. i start watching them and noticing that tehy would as soo nas the mob was pulled cast a Tier V nuke. when no one had hate on the monster. the mob of course would walk over thump them and they would fall over dead. so i said the following
" if you will wait till the monsters is at about 60-70% you will kill the monster and wil lnot get hate"
they responded
"if i wait till then my nuke goes off when the monster is at like 20% and i dont do as much damage"
i reply
" well then the monster is dead tho and you dont get any hate"
them
"i dont think i asked for your f*$king advice did i A$$h0le"



the same goes on in these forums. if you point out somethign peopel jump all over you attack you for anythign and everything. all the way down to your imporoper grammer skills. (happens to me all the time but i dont explain why becasue i dont want ot be labeled or treated diffrent).

your average internet combative (troll) person lashes out for attition. simply because it makes them feel good to casue others pain. the'll spend hours researching ways to simple pick you to the bone if proven wrong guess what they will simply switch targets ignoring the correction.

alot of kid gloves are required these days

[Kensagaku]

>.> If you look at the overall population of trolls we have on the site, most of them are actually constructive posters who know what they're talking about and provide good information if it is asked for in a civil, polite manner. If people would learn to accept that their predefined, unproven notions are wrong (like I had the hardest time accepting that more DW on my NIN was better at first 'til I was proven wrong, thinking that I'd get less overall TP gain due to lowered per hit...) and simply listen to the logic pointed out for them, the majority of "trolls" would probably come off as pretty calm folks.

The problem is, as someone already posted, that a large majority of people start telling folks off for saying they're wrong or over a little bit of hurt pride. They have no sense of civility (again citing Krystal as a prime example) and often enough make ignorant or contradictory statements that make the majority of us wish we could reach through the internet to strangle them sometimes. Many of us are trying to prevent the spread of misinformation, because that will reflect on players who we may end up with in a party or shout group, who them use said misconceptions to decrease the overall quality of said group and potentially cause it to fail.

tl;dr Be nice, accept you can be wrong, and we'll be nice too. >.>

[Megatron]

yes but to kepe naming the person over and over in a public form encourages the mto lash out. you cant feed stop teh problem by feeding them. constructive critisum and politness. is a two way street. if they dont wantthe advice or if the advice is give in a way that is shal lwe say harsh. people ignorre it or preseive it as a attack.... i'm fully with the masses on this thread that peopel needto step back take a deep breath and read the post twice befroe putting on the bloxing gloves and going to war. the old expression you catch more bees with honey. comes to mind

the biggest missconseption in ffxi is everything doesn't work the same for everyone. due to ability, skill and experiance. people learn things diffrently. we are not robots and what works best for person A doesn't always work best for person B due to the factors of their gamming lives. we can stear them in the optimal direction. but not everything works the same for everyone. and we as teh person tryingto help them haveto understand that they are not clones of ourselves and things dont and tehy cant hit a button and play the way we play. things take time. we as a community are willing to help anyone if we wernt we wounldn't post here . you jsut haveto be willing to learn and maybe we all will learn something together...

peace peeps long live FFXI

[Chiibi]

I stated my views without attaching her, why can't you?

Because people are entitled to voice their oppinions and disagreements with which might possibly be one of the DUMBEST things people have ever heard. Its a forum, we're allowed to voice our ideas and in response we're also allowed to tell the person how dumb it is in a method that sticks within the rules.

For example ive also told you on numerous occasions that your ideas were dumb, whiny, or in short talking like someone with nostalgia goggles. i ment no disrespect but im a pretty straightforward person "Why should i have to sugarcoat just so your feelings arnt hurt?". and i expect the same in return to all my posts, expecting everyone to hold your sense of morality.

[Kensagaku]

yes but to kepe naming the person over and over in a public form encourages the mto lash out. you cant feed stop teh problem by feeding them. constructive critisum and politness. is a two way street. if they dont wantthe advice or if the advice is give in a way that is shal lwe say harsh. people ignorre it or preseive it as a attack.... i'm fully with the masses on this thread that peopel needto step back take a deep breath and read the post twice befroe putting on the bloxing gloves and going to war. the old expression you catch more bees with honey. comes to mind

the biggest missconseption in ffxi is everything doesn't work the same for everyone. due to ability, skill and experiance. people learn things diffrently. we are not robots and what works best for person A doesn't always work best for person B due to the factors of their gamming lives. we can stear them in the optimal direction. but not everything works the same for everyone. and we as teh person tryingto help them haveto understand that they are not clones of ourselves and things dont and tehy cant hit a button and play the way we play. things take time. we as a community are willing to help anyone if we wernt we wounldn't post here . you jsut haveto be willing to learn and maybe we all will learn something together...

peace peeps long live FFXI

You're right, and that's why the majority of the disagreeing parties don't just go "Get the optimal pieces of gear, or gtfo." Instead, for the most part we simply sway people away from poor gear choices (Ex. Naturebeckles and her choice of not using Haste and instead fulltiming a mix of TP and WS gear that lowers her overall efficiency, when a simple macro to switch between TP gear and WS gear wouldn't take much) and suggest better ones. For the most part, the people who are trying to stop the flow of misinformation or bad information are generally aiming to guide unsure players towards a better setup. It's true that all groups have their elitists ("If you can't beat this lowman, you suck" etc), but for the most part, the majority of dissenters are quite civil.

We're not trying to make robots of people or clone images of ourselves (well, most of us, anyway) but simply are pointing out which setup tends to work best.

[RAIST]

@ Kensagaku
All I can say, is you have the patience of a saint. I don't know how you do it...after providing examples, providing links disproving points, etc. and the tools STILL want to deny the truth of the matter and move on to flaming those who disagree/disprove their points--I inevitably loose my cool and just rip into them. Just, can't help it sometimes... side effect of beating my head against the wall I guess.

It is just really frustrating that no matter how hard we try to moderate threads ourselves, there is always someone just trying to push us over the edge.....and eventually the levee breaks.

[Olor]

Man alla is downright civil compared to this place.

[Mrbeansman]

I'm sorry but when you write off mathematical evidence as "your opinion" you deserve no mercy for your ignorance.