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    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    I'm neither wrong nor misinformed. I'm talking about the effect of magic bursting Drain. It isn't different when you use bash vs using some other weapon skills to produce the skillchain.

    DRK can produce all levels of dark element skillchain, it's not like that ability modifier is the only way to do it.

    And literally anyone can do solo skillchains without trust by using /SAM.
    You're right in that regard, but your methods of reduction aren't contributing to the discourse. Your opinion is: Paladin's can contribute to Skillchains with weaponskills, so they don't need to do it via their Shield Bash ability? Why?
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post
    You're right in that regard, but your methods of reduction aren't contributing to the discourse. Your opinion is: Paladin's can contribute to Skillchains with weaponskills, so they don't need to do it via their Shield Bash ability? Why?
    Because they have been doing just fine without it for 21 years? It doesn't really add anything to the job- it's primary purpose isn't to be a skillchain machine in the first place.

    PLD's role is to tank. The only consideration it needs to be given is how well it does its job and what the reasons are to choose it over other options (or lack thereof). You say "PLD has no such offensive offering." But Offense isn't PLD's primary role in the first place.

    Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean "I'm not contributing to the discourse." By replying I'm contributing to discourse.

    The only logic behind adding this feature that I can see is "because DRK does it with their similarly-named ability." Which sounds nice, but DRK and PLD have different roles.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 06-29-2023 at 02:03 PM.

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    Player Gwydion's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Because they have been doing just fine without it for 21 years? It doesn't really add anything to the job- it's primary purpose isn't to be a skillchain machine in the first place.

    PLD's role is to tank. The only consideration it needs to be given is how well it does its job and what the reasons are to choose it over other options (or lack thereof). You say "PLD has no such offensive offering." But Offense isn't PLD's primary role in the first place.

    Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean "I'm not contributing to the discourse." By replying I'm contributing to discourse.

    The only logic behind adding this feature that I can see is "because DRK does it with their similarly-named ability." Which sounds nice, but DRK and PLD have different roles.
    OK, granted. The Paladin's role is to tank. Let's say that a Paladin's Shield Bash is given a chain-bound-like effect, in that it simply just allows the skillchain window to be extended by 3-4 seconds and INSTEAD of damage, the mob immediately faces the Paladin. This would help a Paladin hold hate against over-zealous DDs who have more brawn then brains, because let's face it: Power-creep has made it way too easy for DDs to cap hate and grab it from a tank, almost entirely at will.
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