Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Tohihroyu]

/sigh if this Dynamis update happens there will be Dynaburns for those in between Abyssburns >_> and along with Dynaburns *gasp* ninja lotters, people entering purely to leech the win & gtfo...sad to admit... a DL mpk would be kinda funny...but at the same time a nuisance...just in general bad.

they double our exp gain, remove the restriction on FoV yet people still wanna cheat because its just not good enough for the spoiled little babies because leveling up the "old way" is still "tedious" along with more & more QQ-ing when this game is & will keep being easy mode...though its been around before abyssea ever since abysea come out FFXI's gamer attitude has gotten more & more...well stupid.

now for Topic *if* the actually do raise the cap 65 is also good its the same as Dynamis...besides Dynamis itself with become yet another abyssea anyway.

I agree with Starcade on not just this but on many other posts he put up. (I know that alone will have me get trolled lol)

[Refresh]

will you all stop crying about the old ffxi no one cares about lvling up low lvl jobs thats why. do you wish to seek for weeks when you can just get 90 in a day or two then try being on a help full job like whm or war. the fun is at end when the job is at full power 90-99 full gear etc hope this gets locked by SE l like the last one for wasteing time. if the cap is 75 for abyssea why a new player buy the 3 abyssea he then give up because of no exp partys at lower lvls costing SE a loss 42-55$ if the player was on for a month or two your asking SE to stop makeing $ off the abyssea exp thats why it will Never be locked by lvl it cost them a net loss in $ for the company. so get over it

[Wade]

I have been playing for about 5 years now I think. The exp when I started, was 50 for DC and less for EP. I was actually one of those who solo'd up to 30. Now that was tough back then. It made me start dual boxing. Just recently, I started some new characters and within a month I have a couple jobs at 50 and 40 and I'm just duoing. I was actually in a party in Qufim with just one of my characters and wow, the new EXP is awesome.

So there have been a lot of changes over the years, level sync, FoV and now Aby. Personally I don't really care if people leech. People have always leeched in some form or another. I think Aby has made it easier, but whatever. Also, there has always been that wanting to get to cap so you could do the endgame stuff and I can understand that wanting. You join a linkshell, but everyone is doing high level stuff but you can't. Speeding to 90 allows you to hang with your friends and I get that.

For me though, the enjoyment of playing a game is for the memories, from start to finish. There isn't much memory in going from 30-90 in a one day, but that's just what I think. I do realize though, that a lot of people will say that the memories start at 90, which, hey if that's what you want, that's okay too. As for events, if you are doing an important event, I don't think it's too hard to just stick with your friends you have made and trust to do it. Also, there are certain jobs you can take where there is not much skill needed. On the flip side, you can still do other parties etc with "Newish" people at 90. If anything, give them advice on how to play the job better, if they are struggling. We all have to learn our jobs. Some of us are lucky enough to have mentors. On a side note, leveling the old way did help learn the job. I'm not saying everyone learned it, but it did help because you learned techniques through experience.

But in the end, none of this really matters because the only real important thing is that we are supposed to be playing to have fun. There will always be disappointments in life. It doesn't matter if it is online or not. You can't let others take away from your enjoyment. I play to have fun. I come home from work, pop on the game and do whatever sounds like fun. We all, should be able to do what we want in the game that makes us happy. I mean that's why we pay to play

Sorry if this post is a little scattered, just got done reading all 11 pages of this and my mind was all over the place

[Runespider]

Ultimately raising the level requirement for Abyssea to 70+ is what would be best for FFXI players as a whole. Most people that like the current system simply like it because of selfish reasons, and I suppose I can't blame them for wanting an easy way to XP that but thats not how the game should work. Having something that helps the few but which has a direct negative effect on EVERYONE else is obviously bad for the game.

Personally I don't care if abyssea leeching makes bad players, not my problem or care. What I do care about is that simply put, the leeching problem now causes massive problems for everyone else that plays this game, especially new players or returnees. As a development team I would assume your primary goal is to not lose new and returning players and if this is the case, Abyssea leeching should be a very big concern for you to fix asap.

Everyone likes to be able to gain XP in parties(level sync was added to boost this), the fact is though that the vast majority of players don't want and indeed never will make their own parties. The minority that would and used to make parties now instead build an Abyssea alliance or leech off friends. This means there are no more xp invites or parties being made for everyone else, therefor new players without any contacts can no longer get invited to XP and instead have to solo to 75 using FoV. This also has a knock on effect that these players can't really make social contacts and get into linkshells as they used to. you could say that is the problem of the players but honestly as a dev team i'm sure you know people will not change their ways and instead they will have their flag up unsuccessfully for a long time and in the end most probably quit cause they just cannot get parties to level.

If a Dev reads this I hope you understand how bad this is for anyone trying to gain XP, please raise the minimum level to enter Abyssea to 70 and make the game work better for everyone.

The whole XP system took a nosedive after abyssea and it having the min level req of 30 is the main reason, it's obvious the devs are trying to counter this with double xp etc but until you fix the problem I mentioned nothing is going to change.

*before anyone mentions Astral flow parties that is nothign like the same thing, very limited amounts of groups can work effectively doing AB due to limited workable zones and they take a lot more effort to setup. Continually deleveling sync mules, having set jobs etc etc. Aby leeching just requires being able to shout in port jeuno which as I say means anyone that has the inclination to form a normal pt will just do that instead.

[Wade]

I don't know, since the exp boost, I have actually been seeing parties in dunes, qufim, jungles etc. Also, as soon as a new version update coupled with a level cap increase comes out, everyone will be busy getting to new cap and the new players and returnees will still suffer. The positive side is, SE changed the FoV limit and doubled exp so soloing has become a whole lot easier. It's not the greatest, but sure beats what it used to be.

[Kari]

The amount of pure stupidity in this thread is amazing.

1> Leeching does not make you a terrible player.
2> Killing Crabs and Birds for 70 levels does not make you a good player.
3> When I'm not leeching myself or a friend, I do invite random people to leech, provided they bring keys. A long Exp Party in Abyssea consumes a large amount of Cruor on keys, that I would rather have someone else blow in exchange for free exp.
4> SE offered me these 3 products. They told me, if I purchased them, I would be able to access all of it's content at level 30 or higher. SE also warned me, that although I only need to be level 30 to access the content, that the battles are intended for much higher levels.

Changing it now would just piss off a lot of people.
You would not see an increase in low-level parties. They have always been few in number.
A very large majority of jobs being leeched, are jobs they never intended to level the normal way.

Another small detail people forget to mention: Leechers don't get in for free, usually.
Keys are a bit costly, depending on the length of the party. Sure, sometimes you end up making about the same amount back, but everyone else in the party made a profit in Cruor rather than breaking even.
And, if you're leading the alliance to leech, you have to manage the alliance, which in Abyssea is a full-time job. [People love to AFK, fall asleep, randomly leech, leave randomly] You also sometimes have to key chests along with that.

[Wade]

A long Exp Party in Abyssea consumes a large amount of Cruor on keys, that I would rather have someone else blow in exchange for free exp.

This is pretty valid. If someone is willing to spend their own Cruor on this, then why not.

I wouldn't say that peoples opinions are stupid though. We all have our own feelings and ideas

[MarkovChain]

Why are you guys saying a year to get to 75? It was faster in 2003. That is not even close to reasonable in 2011, not even for a brand new player.

Because not everyone plays 5 hours a day. Try getting 1-75 outside of abyssea either solo or in party (that you won't find anyway), It will take you that much time. You don't know what casual means.

[Wade]

Because not everyone plays 5 hours a day. Try getting 1-75 outside of abyssea either solo or in party (that you won't find anyway), It will take you that much time. You don't know what casual means.

In your opinion, how much time would a casual player play in a week?

[Valiarius]

That's a weird way to spell "awesome".

You're still going for that 100k post count?