So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[thelittlecrash]

Oh and PS getting all HQ staves is extremely expensive and not really necessary unless your main is SMN.

[rog]

Oh and PS getting all HQ staves is extremely expensive and not really necessary unless your main is SMN.

wahh?

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[Fiarlia]

uh...

you said you only do things with friends and never observe shout groups or exp parties? I do not understand how you can say "gimps" are better now then they were when you don't really see them in action.

You're assuming that I have always only pt'd with my LS. You're also assuming that I can't (and don't) /check people. You're also assuming that I can't go look at forums that post pics of gimps for everyone to laugh at. Guess I'm going to be required to provide a little back story then. When Abyssea first came out, I was in a purely social shell, granted, we'd often do some stuff together but it was almost never planned, and certainly not executed in the best way possible. I did join shout groups for exp and NM's, especially when the second expansion came out, though I didn't play in shout groups exclusively. I'm well aware of the gimps, how they play and how common they are. So when the leader of my social shell quit and the shell went poof (more or less) I jumped in with a group of people from that shell that started their own. Now I only play with them (or go solo). And again, I frequently read threads on other forums (that allow the bashing of gimps) that talk about or even show screenshots of gimps. They haven't always been out of the picture for me, but now they are. And yes, whenever I walk by conflux 8 in Abyssea - Altepa I will /check people there because it almost always provides me with a laugh - especially when they wipe to Meltdown. When my group does have to wait for a group of gimps to finish fighting an NM so we can pop it I usually /check some of them (the ones with apparent bad visible gear). No, I'm certainly well aware of the gimps in the game. The reason I cut them out of the picture is because I'm well aware of them, how bad they are and how common they are. The problem is I also did shout groups before Abyssea for merits, and I can tell you I've seen plenty of them there, too.

How is using 5/5 NQ emp gear good idea? it does nothing, lest the gimps in the past that where full af was more useful. Then add the na say macros.

Anyone who uses say macros is stupid. Nationality has nothing to do with it. And no, NQ Emp gear isn't a good idea, neither is full AF or full Relic. But then again neither is far more than half the shit they used to wear. And if you're specifically talking about NQ gear, then we're speaking on a slightly different perspective of gimp. You are talking about the absolute bottom of the barrel players, and I don't think that the absolute bottom of the barrel players in the past would wear full AF, they'd likely wear something more akin to full Seer's or a Brigandine and a Fang Necklace, maybe with the level 14 NQ DEX rings, or the DEX rings with an Acc enchantment (which they would strangely never use), or even the level 1 starting rings with INT wands instead of Elemental Staves. I, on the other hand, have been talking more about the people who make at least a half-hearted attempt, though their selection makes it obvious they know next to nothing about game mechanics.

People dont know that they need to use HQ staffs? they full time mp gear and dark staff? how is that better then the past?

Actually that's the same as the past, go and peruse that BG thread that was linked earlier and I know you'll find examples of it. Abyssea has nothing to do with this mindset.

How is MP gear PLD at 55 on his second job that abyssea whm to 90 first better then in the past? then claim they have no money to buy gear.

Look at my above response, same stuff, just replace Abyssea leeching with level sync in East Ronfaure [S]. Or Bhaflau Thickets. Or Astral Burns.

I am telling you I had 2 BLM in the same pt that could not do azure kills because they had NQ staffs and mp gear.

So kick them? Or if you're not the pt leader drop and find another pt? This concept seems so hard for some people.

As for the person who only parties with their LS mates then good for them, but I have to agree since this is only how you exp/farm/ upgrade gear you really dont have a say when it comes to leechers and gimps

See above, please. I chose to cut them out of my playing experience because they were there, and I didn't like playing with them.

Oh and PS getting all HQ staves is extremely expensive and not really necessary unless your main is SMN.

Absolutely not, they are not expensive and benefit most other jobs more than SMN now (because of new gear with -perpetuation and Refresh, plus Auto-Refresh II). But meh, Magians trumps them anyway.

Also, both of you completely missed the other portion of my post, or ignored it completely. But, if you missed it, I'll repost for you. ^^

Now that we've established that it's entirely possible to cut the gimps almost completely out of your personal gaming picture, the next point I want to mention is that if these gimps to get to 90 (99)... so what? While it can be annoying to see a group take 30 minutes to kill something as trivial as most of the Iron Giants, there's still very little direct interaction. And they are able to get stuff done for themselves. While I consider myself a well above average player, I don't hold on to some sort of feeling that the lesser skilled deserve nothing. In fact, it's healthy for the game as a whole if they can do stuff, whether it's the simple NM's, leveling all jobs to 90, questing, attempting (and failing) at harder NM's, capping merits, shouting for mercs to beat Rani for them, whatever, if their interest is maintained in the game, it's likely to last longer. So let the gimps have their fun, and let them get far better gear than they used to be able to (admit it, despite the fact that full perle is lols, it's much better than the hodgepodge of shit we used to see). The more subscribers the better, and besides, they have zero impact on me, aside from occasionally making my group wait a bit longer to pop an NM, because that's the way I choose to play - without the gimps

Rather than bitching up a storm about gimps and/or Abyssea leeching... how about y'all just get over it? Really, this is quite a simple concept; if you don't like the gimps, and get very angry/annoyed/rageguy when you encounter them and group with them... stop? Get a small group of friends. It's really not hard, and it will not only make this a non-issue for you, but it will make the game infinitely more fun for you, I promise.

[Fiarlia]

Double post, weeeeeeeeeeee. >.>

And to those who think getting a large group of friends is hard, it does not take a full alliance to do anything, especially exp in Abyssea (and I'm not even talking about Fell Cleave or Cataclysm burns), contrary to popular belief. The group I mentioned I play with, we do Abyssea exp pt's every Sunday. Guess how many people are actually killing the mobs. Three. Yep, three. Everyone else in the group is leeching, but since we're not gimps it's ok. We either have skilled the skills from a previous job, or will skill before we actively use those jobs. We make sure we get our spells before we use them. We usually have gear that we level into (quite often it's top notch stuff as we all know what jobs we plan on leveling so we start getting the gear beforehand), and if not, we wait to use the job until we do.

We leech, and we leech like crazy, but it's all within our own group.

Now... if Abyssea leeching was actually a problem, wouldn't this cause some problems? Seriously. If Abyssea leeching was really a problem, would someone who predominantly plays mage jobs be able to leech MNK, have good gear, get H2H skilled be able to act as our "main tank" on NM's, and do it incredibly well? Nope, but here's the kicker, people in my group have done it.

The problem is not Abyssea leeching, the problem is the people you encounter. Deal with it, because it's always been like that and will always be like that. And by deal with it I mean either stop bitching about leeching and start bitching about the gimps themselves, or stop playing with them and in turn stop bitching about leeching, or just suck it up and stop bitching about leeching and keep playing with them.

Whichever you choose, just stop bitching about Abyssea leeching because there's no point, and absolutely no ground for your argument to stand on.

[Eeek]

Can a RDM90/WHM45 cast Haste? This is important guys. Some lolMNK I know keeps yelling at me demanding Haste, and I don't know what else to say. I keep pointing out that I'm not a WHM or a BRD but he just won't take the hint.

Also, why do mages want Refresh from me? I mean, they can sub RDM now for their own Refresh! Hell, they can even Convert for more MP. Why do these lazy mages bother me so?

[rog]

iirc, whm gets haste at 40, so yeah.

[Fiarlia]

RDM also natively gets Haste at 48, so I'm pretty sure that post was sarcastic... at least I hope it was.

[RaenRyong]

you leeched a job to 90? you FAIL

My 90 leeched jobs are better than you will ever be.

[Niklz]

My 90 leeched jobs are better than you will ever be.

how do you dislike a comment? i can't remember

[rog]

My 90 leeched jobs are better than you will ever be.

My leeched jobs were better than he was by the time i hit 75.

When i leveled blm, once i hit 75 and was able to use all my gear, i parsed #1 in a party of level 85 dds.