Any new HNM coming?

[Zaknafein]

Yeah I bot claim all day on console.. oh wait. Seriously there is an unreal amount of crying over this issue. Saying that every casual player should have the same shot at gear that comes from camping, and killing HNM is silly. If I'm gonna fight botter's/heavy competition I want it to be for something rare. I am all for the "have that same gear in Einherjar" system. At least every whack casual couldn't stroll into Einherjar, and brew/zombie their way to decent gear.

[Natenn]

This is why Twilight gear has no meaning behind it, anyone can kill it bc of brew. Anyone can get title np. Who cares about why you do or don't want new world spawn HNM? Having the best stuff should be earned, not givin to you on a silver plate like abyssea. Long windows cut the flow of items so that not only are they actually good, but rare to see. Not like twilight mail where you see a WAR full time it + helm with 0% haste. We all pay to play, don't preach this "i want my way only" stuff just cause you don't like the thought of HNM. They'll add stuff besides HNM, seems your only focus is to badmouth world spawns just cause you don't wanna lose to others.

[Runespider]

Yeah I bot claim all day on console.. oh wait. Seriously there is an unreal amount of crying over this issue. Saying that every casual player should have the same shot at gear that comes from camping, and killing HNM is silly. If I'm gonna fight botter's/heavy competition I want it to be for something rare. I am all for the "have that same gear in Einherjar" system. At least every whack casual couldn't stroll into Einherjar, and brew/zombie their way to decent gear.

You don't have to bot yourself to benefit from it, friend of mine never botted but he joined a shell he knew were one of the biggest bot claiming shells on the server, he still benefitted greatly from botting. It's like living with a drug dealer, you may not deal yourself but you cetainly get to live in a nicer house with nicer things around you. I don't mind gear being rare or very few being able to get it, I just don't want stinking botters to get it over others having had to deal with them for years.

This is why Twilight gear has no meaning behind it, anyone can kill it bc of brew. Anyone can get title np. Who cares about why you do or don't want new world spawn HNM?

See what this whole thing was always about was "I don't really want compeition or difficult fights...I just want gear others don't have so I can afk in port with it while I'm in bed dreaming about others checking my char ;-; also please let them be bottable so I can forcably stop others getting it ><;" I did HNM for over 4 years I know exactly how it works, the mentality of the players that do them and the driving forces behind doing them.

These new HNM will be a good sign if the devs learned anything, if they really do add hnm as they did in the past after how many complaints they had from good endgame players at the vanafests etc and how much they knew botting was abused well...they are a lost cause.

As far as I'm concerned make the fights really damn hard, put harsh time restrictions on them too, but just let everyone be able to try it. WoW for all the bashing is popular because everyone gets to at least try all the endgame raids, win or fail they can at least say they lost due to not being good enough instead of not having the correct bot system. Half the NMs in abyssea were very challenging if not for curor buffs and atams so they can certainly make difficult nms.

People say that once information gets out about how to kill them any NM is easy, so like if your in a top tier shell and think this...don't share the info if thats what you want? You put the information out there on BG for anyone to read and you are giving people an easy win, same as what hapened with AV...this applies even more if the fights are out of public view. Stop sharing information if you don't want everyone being able to do them, you make your own situation. Either you want to help everyone do this stuff or you don't, can't have it both ways.

[Randwolf]

I don't care what S/E does with it so long as bots are marginalized or are completely worthless for the claim. I saw an idea in the thread where it remains unclaimed for a short period and then chooses off its hate list of people who have acted upon it. That's not a bad idea.

Another idea would be to use the proc system to claim. Where it stays yellow until the randomized appropriate action has been performed upon it then that person has claim. Also, make it choose from a list that has an exclusive job ability or spell for every job. So, all jobs have value in coming to the HNM pop. Not just a few select jobs.

Finally, for anyone talking about a 6 man party, if you can win with less than an alliance, then this isn't the HNM people have been asking for.

[Cream_Soda]

besides HNM, seems your only focus is to badmouth world spawns just cause you don't wanna lose to others.

Not at all, a large number of people in the thread have been there, done that, been successful, are better geared, are better players than you, still don't agree, and just feel its a retarded, outdated system. Not because they don't want to lose to others.

[Natenn]

Not you. Im saying ppl QQ bc they assume anyone who likes HNM are botters which is not true.

[Cream_Soda]

Not you. Im saying ppl QQ bc they assume anyone who likes HNM are botters which is not true.

Every individual no, but every even half reputable HNM on any server had members who botted.

[Cream_Soda]

I personally don't care either way about botting, however, I just find 21-24 hours to be a retarded idea/concept.

[Zaknafein]

I don't care what S/E does with it so long as bots are marginalized or are completely worthless for the claim. I saw an idea in the thread where it remains unclaimed for a short period and then chooses off its hate list of people who have acted upon it. That's not a bad idea.

Another idea would be to use the proc system to claim. Where it stays yellow until the randomized appropriate action has been performed upon it then that person has claim. Also, make it choose from a list that has an exclusive job ability or spell for every job. So, all jobs have value in coming to the HNM pop. Not just a few select jobs.

Finally, for anyone talking about a 6 man party, if you can win with less than an alliance, then this isn't the HNM people have been asking for.

Oooh I like that Randwolf. Like a weakness trigger to get claim. That is an excellent idea sir! Hopefully someone official see's this. If that could be implemented on existing HNM as well it would be awesome x2 Could make HNM's melee attacks count like Iron Giants for stagger purposes. That sounds as if it would go a long ways towards disrupting current botting practices.

[Dazusu]

Every individual no, but every even half reputable HNM on any server had members who botted.

You'll find plenty of botters who hate HNM, and that part of the community. Botting isn't restricted to HNMLS members.