So i leeched my job to 90 in abyssea

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I'm 90 now so how do I play my job?


Sad state the game has sunken to.

Please, this is nothing new. It was a constant in pre-TAU times even.

[Karbuncle]

keeps it the same? abyssea made more gimps now vs past -.- I gave some examples.

there are different levels of "gimp" being picky about someone's tp set =/= gear so horrid you cannot get the job done ( like my comment about 2 blm that was in one of my abyssea exp pt)

I Don't know about you, But I'm thankful gimps today are at least in some small way better than gimps of yesteryear.

At least Full perle offers some minimum baseline of haste, as opposed to the GD Askar head-Wearing, Askar-hand-Wearing-etc gimps that they were before.

Abyssea did not create more gimps, You only see more gimps because instead of leveling with 6 people, You're leveling with 18, your forced interaction with morons has just tripled. as with obviously your "perceptions" on how many gimp people there are now.

The same goes for Endgame, IN Dynamis it was secluded, In Salvage? Secluded. So the only out-side interaction you got with non-LS was in King Camps, Where you saw your fair share of gimps. Abyssea is one big open event, You're bound to interact with more gimps than old-style events, cause old-style events were usually contained to LS's.

Theres no higher number of gimps than there used to be, we're just forced to interact with more of them while Exping or your daily activities. again, The amount of gimps are the same, You just notice/see more because of how the playstyle has changed, 18 man alliance-exp and non-Exclusive end-game zones.

[Glamdring]

simple, you need to cap 'em all. There are times you want Horde to be max radius, hope you have a harp. there are times you want a slightly higher chance of beating a resist, u want a horn. no matter what, you want capped singing since it works with both. 'nuff said.

[Rambus]

I Don't know about you, But I'm thankful gimps today are at least in some small way better than gimps of yesteryear.

At least Full perle offers some minimum baseline of haste, as opposed to the GD Askar head-Wearing, Askar-hand-Wearing-etc gimps that they were before.

Abyssea did not create more gimps, You only see more gimps because instead of leveling with 6 people, You're leveling with 18, your forced interaction with morons has just tripled. as with obviously your "perceptions" on how many gimp people there are now.

The same goes for Endgame, IN Dynamis it was secluded, In Salvage? Secluded. So the only out-side interaction you got with non-LS was in King Camps, Where you saw your fair share of gimps. Abyssea is one big open event, You're bound to interact with more gimps than old-style events, cause old-style events were usually contained to LS's.

Theres no higher number of gimps than there used to be, we're just forced to interact with more of them while Exping or your daily activities. again, The amount of gimps are the same, You just notice/see more because of how the playstyle has changed, 18 man alliance-exp and non-Exclusive end-game zones.

what are you talking about? I do not care if people use Askar head or being picky on a tp set. (well I do kinda but I am talking about level of gimp lower then that) what I do care about is people being geared enough to get the job done. my abyssea party had 2 blms using mp gear and full time dark staff.

why? because its easy to leech and easy to get to 90 not learning your job. Then when you get a situation where people depend on you they fall short. gimps today are worse then the gimps last year, again this statment makes me feel you did not read what I have to say.

WHM using full NQ emp gear ( like your comment on cour gear that would been better) AND having NA say macros.
BLM not even having staffs, BLM not knowing how to play thier job, BLM not able to get azure kills because they fulltime darkstaff.

BLU that full time mage gear(teal) that melee.

a drk using level 10 scythe and mp/int gear.

WHM that melee in mage gear/crappy wand having 100 or less MP while having outside pt WHMs do his job.

PLD meleeing in exp with that acc down sword ( looks like chainsaw)

THF fulltiming haste gear ( ws in haste gear)
THF that fulltimes ws gear.

I have not seen people gear this horrible in the past.

and yes abyssea IS to blame. I talked to people before. some said "I am leveling this job just so i can have something to spend merits on, I know I am not good at it"

I talked to other BLM with not having staffs they answered was ill get them later or I was rushed here .

people get exp way too fast. you get too much exp while farming for gear. because of the fast exp while farming gear people level jobs for the sake of doing so to spend merits they get later while farming for gear.

[Karbuncle]

what are you talking about? I do not care if people use Askar head or being picky on a tp set. (well I do kinda but I am talking about level of gimp lower then that) what I do care about is people being geared enough to get the job done. my abyssea party had 2 blms using mp gear and full time dark staff.

why? because its easy to leech and easy to get to 90 not learning your job. Then when you get a situation where people depend on you they fall short. gimps today are worse then the gimps last year, again this statment makes me feel you did not read what I have to say.

WHM using full NQ emp gear ( like your comment on cour gear that would been better) AND having NA say macros.
BLM not even having staffs, BLM not knowing how to play thier job, BLM not able to get azure kills because they fulltime darkstaff.

BLU that full time mage gear(teal) that melee.

a drk using level 10 scythe and mp/int gear.

WHM that melee in mage gear/crappy wand having 100 or less MP while having outside pt WHMs do his job.

PLD meleeing in exp with that acc down sword ( looks like chainsaw)

THF fulltiming haste gear ( ws in haste gear)
THF that fulltimes ws gear.

I have not seen people gear this horrible in the past.

and yes abyssea IS to blame. I talked to people before. some said "I am leveling this job just so i can have something to spend merits on, I know I am not good at it"

I talked to other BLM with not having staffs they answered was ill get them later or I was rushed here .

people get exp way too fast. you get too much exp while farming for gear. because of the fast exp while farming gear people level jobs for the sake of doing so to spend merits they get later while farming for gear.

You have very selective reading if you seriously took offense to anything i said.

People who leech their job to 90 Generally level a job because they're interested in it. Some people will Learn the job, Some won't. This hasn't changed because of Abyssea.

My point was, The only reason it appears like there are more gimps today, is because we are forced to interact with more people than we were pre-abyssea.

6 man parties are now 18 man.
Events are no longer "Secluded" (Reserved area, etc). They're open to anyone.
etc.

This is exactly what happened when Campaign came out. people were like "HUR HUR CAMPAIGN GIMPS EVERYWHERE EXP SO EASY HUR HUR". Every time time some new fad comes out that makes something a little easier, people will always try to blame it for the gimps in the game. It hasn't increased any gimps, Its simply increases our forced interaction with them. Campaign was another "Open" system anyone could join. so instead of being grounded by 18 LS mates you know, You're suruonded by 18 random people, Chances of gimps are higher.

[Rambus]

You have very selective reading if you seriously took offense to anything i said.

I am not offended , i am glad there is cour gear.

I would be thankful if people used it right though ( like blu that gets more then one set)

I know there was gimps in the past, there is gimps now, i was just saying I am worse off with the gimps now then in the past because people a lot of times gear so horrid now they cannot get anything done.

the only time i was a bit picky on gearsets in the past was for nyzul, if you had a dark or blue that did not properly gear there was a good chance you would not make those 5 floors.

[Fiarlia]

I know there was gimps in the past, there is gimps now, i was just saying I am worse off with the gimps now then in the past because people a lot of times gear so horrid now they cannot get anything done.

I have to disagree with this, as a matter of fact, I actually see less gimps now than I used to before Abyssea. Don't get me wrong, they still exist, and there's still plenty of them.

Though to be fair, one of the main reasons I see less of them now is because I have a group of friends I always (and exclusively) do stuff with, either that or I solo. I have little interaction with the majority of the gimps that have made the trek to level 90. I don't join any shout groups for NM's, events or even exp. My LS does weekly "leech" pt's on Sundays, and we simply rotate who is killing and who is leeching, and we only let LS members join.

Now, I'm well aware that this creates somewhat of a biased point of view, since I exclude the gimps and the idiots from my personal FFXI experience.

But this does bring up a separate point; if you, or anyone else, is having such a hard time with gimps, then why are you bothering to play with them? It's obviously possible, as I have done it, everyone else in my LS has done it, and I'm quite sure it would be folly to say that we're the only group who can accomplish such a feat. The answer is much more simple than most people make it out to be: stop partying with the people you don't want to. Make friends, join a group. Not only will your experience be much more fun, but you're much more likely to get a bunch more things done in a much more efficient manner (which in turn is likely to make the game more fun as well). If you think it'd be hard to get into a group, since these groups are likely to not joining shout group as well, it's not that hard to walk up to people you see successfully and skillfully killing an NM that your typical gimps can't and send a /tell. There's also countless LS's that have websites, and even forums that you could simply ask who might be someone to talk to.

Now that we've established that it's entirely possible to cut the gimps almost completely out of your personal gaming picture, the next point I want to mention is that if these gimps to get to 90 (99)... so what? While it can be annoying to see a group take 30 minutes to kill something as trivial as most of the Iron Giants, there's still very little direct interaction. They can quest away their seals for AF3+1, never attempt +2 for all I care, they're still (in general, though exceptions certainly do exist) better geared than they used to be. And they are able to get stuff done for themselves. While I consider myself a well above average player, I don't hold on to some sort of feeling that the lesser skilled deserve nothing. In fact, it's healthy for the game as a whole if they can do stuff, whether it's the simple NM's, leveling all jobs to 90, questing, attempting (and failing) at harder NM's, capping merits, shouting for mercs to beat Rani for them, whatever, if their interest is maintained in the game, it's likely to last longer. So let the gimps have their fun, and let them get far better gear than they used to be able to (admit it, despite the fact that full perle is lols, it's much better than the hodgepodge of shit we used to see). The more subscribers the better, and besides, they have zero impact on me, aside from occasionally making my group wait a bit longer to pop an NM, because that's the way I choose to play - without the gimps.

And this is not an argument supporting the tired old "it's their $12.95." I'm not at all arguing that they don't suck, because they do, I'm only saying that it only matters if you let it.

[Krystal]

you leeched a job to 90? you FAIL

[Rambus]

I have to disagree with this, as a matter of fact, I actually see less gimps now than I used to before Abyssea. Don't get me wrong, they still exist, and there's still plenty of them.

Though to be fair, one of the main reasons I see less of them now is because I have a group of friends I always (and exclusively) do stuff with, either that or I solo. I have little interaction with the majority of the gimps that have made the trek to level 90. I don't join any shout groups for NM's, events or even exp. My LS does weekly "leech" pt's on Sundays, and we simply rotate who is killing and who is leeching, and we only let LS members join.

Now, I'm well aware that this creates somewhat of a biased point of view, since I exclude the gimps and the idiots from my personal FFXI experience.

But this does bring up a separate point; if you, or anyone else, is having such a hard time with gimps, then why are you bothering to play with them? It's obviously possible, as I have done it, everyone else in my LS has done it, and I'm quite sure it would be folly to say that we're the only group who can accomplish such a feat. The answer is much more simple than most people make it out to be: stop partying with the people you don't want to. Make friends, join a group. Not only will your experience be much more fun, but you're much more likely to get a bunch more things done in a much more efficient manner (which in turn is likely to make the game more fun as well). If you think it'd be hard to get into a group, since these groups are likely to not joining shout group as well, it's not that hard to walk up to people you see successfully and skillfully killing an NM that your typical gimps can't and send a /tell. There's also countless LS's that have websites, and even forums that you could simply ask who might be someone to talk to.

Now that we've established that it's entirely possible to cut the gimps almost completely out of your personal gaming picture, the next point I want to mention is that if these gimps to get to 90 (99)... so what? While it can be annoying to see a group take 30 minutes to kill something as trivial as most of the Iron Giants, there's still very little direct interaction. They can quest away their seals for AF3+1, never attempt +2 for all I care, they're still (in general, though exceptions certainly do exist) better geared than they used to be. And they are able to get stuff done for themselves. While I consider myself a well above average player, I don't hold on to some sort of feeling that the lesser skilled deserve nothing. In fact, it's healthy for the game as a whole if they can do stuff, whether it's the simple NM's, leveling all jobs to 90, questing, attempting (and failing) at harder NM's, capping merits, shouting for mercs to beat Rani for them, whatever, if their interest is maintained in the game, it's likely to last longer. So let the gimps have their fun, and let them get far better gear than they used to be able to (admit it, despite the fact that full perle is lols, it's much better than the hodgepodge of shit we used to see). The more subscribers the better, and besides, they have zero impact on me, aside from occasionally making my group wait a bit longer to pop an NM, because that's the way I choose to play - without the gimps.

And this is not an argument supporting the tired old "it's their $12.95." I'm not at all arguing that they don't suck, because they do, I'm only saying that it only matters if you let it.

uh...

you said you only do things with friends and never observe shout groups or exp parties? I do not understand how you can say "gimps" are better now then they were when you don't really see them in action.

How is using 5/5 NQ emp gear good idea? it does nothing, lest the gimps in the past that where full af was more useful. Then add the na say macros.

People dont know that they need to use HQ staffs? they full time mp gear and dark staff? how is that better then the past?

How is MP gear PLD at 55 on his second job that abyssea whm to 90 first better then in the past? then claim they have no money to buy gear.

I am telling you I had 2 BLM in the same pt that could not do azure kills because they had NQ staffs and mp gear.

gear can be easy to get all you want but as game gets easier people get lazyer and never learn to use it

[thelittlecrash]

leeching a job to 90 is a shame on you, but I have seen my fair share of leechers and some do have decent gear when they hit the higher lvls. The only real thing that holds them back is the skills and exp with the job itself. As for any job I believe no matter what the skills in it they need to be capped because you never know what you are gonna need. As for the person who only parties with their LS mates then good for them, but I have to agree since this is only how you exp/farm/ upgrade gear you really dont have a say when it comes to leechers and gimps