Mog Wardrobe 3&4 feedback.

[Castanica]

Eh, I honestly don't mean any offense towards you but this willingness of people to pay for more and more features is appalling to me.

I think that since you have played lots of other games you should understand the meaning of whales and that people who can and do put more money into a game are the people who very often let you play it at the price you do. If not for people like me chances are this game would either not be here anymore or you would be paying more, do you know how many players have alt accounts and mules? You think this game would exist if everyone had 1 account and no mules at all?

I'm against forced increases for all but not optional increases for those who can and have no problem paying it.

When I played wow and xiv I refused to pay more than basic because they were in no danger of closing down, when I play this and other smaller mmorpg titles I spend more because I can afford it and I know that my spending helps the game continue running. I've been through the pain of seeing a game I enjoy close down, I really don't want to see it on this.

End of the day there is a very small niche of hoarders who need this extra inventory, I would spend an extra $4 on it but it's just simply not needed at all. How do I know this? because everyone playing this game played it just fine yesterday before they added it.

[Diavolo]

SE is not your friend - they're a business, if they see money to be made, they'll do it.

I would argue against that. There's a lot more to making money than simply charging a monthly fee for an optional feature in a fourteen year old MMORPG. They could have been selling us items like costumes, mounts and weapons such as the one from the Master Trial for years now instead of throwing them at us for free via an endless stream of campaigns, and they could have probably generated a good bit of cash doing it, possibly prolonging the period of time in which we still received meaningful updates. They could have merged servers years ago and tailored updates around open world content - the game's strength since day one - rather than funneling everyone into Mhaura and BCNMs, ensuring servers could actively play host to thousands of players online simultaneously and continue to give off the impression that, despite the lack of growth, at least the game still looked very much alive.

I've held Square's artists and designers in the highest regard for decades now (seeing Hironobu Sakaguchi and Nobuo Uematsu at the latest FFXV event was fantastic) and I always admired the way they spoiled their employees with long, paid vacations after a game's completion, but you don't have to be a business expert to see that there was a lot of room for improvement in the way FFXI was managed.

If you want to blame anyone though, blame the XIV players that literally beg SE to charge them microtransactions.

That's exactly what we're doing when we pay those $4 for 160 extra wardrobe spaces.

The dev team has taken the time to listen to our suggestions/complaints over the years to get a better idea of how to shape the game for us, might have been nice if they had taken the time to get our feedback on this issue as well, assuming they even had much control over it. Dividing an old school player base this late in the game's life is an unnecessary risk to me.

[Elexia]

I'm baffled by how many people are ignoring the importance of inventory

It's not being ignored - we're talking specifically mog wardrobe - If it was general inventory, then it would be a big deal, this is why I said for a large portion of players, 3&4 is realistically optional at this point so only a select few in this small playerbase actually has a true need for it. If they somehow pump out a few more jobs out of no where, then it'll be a bit of a problem, since it's similar to the argument with retainers in FFXIV - You can get by with your free 2 retainers and main inventory/armory chest, but if you actually do all of the crafting +3 specialist + glamour + hoard items, you will need more space and strangely enough, XIV suffers from a bigger inventory problem than XI ever has lol.

So yeah, while it would be nice to have it, this particular case really is optional, if it was saying something like Mog Backpack and Mog Bag of Holding which is an active 160 inventory not specifically tied to gear, then it would be a cause of concern, so I get the gist of what's being argued and not ignoring it, it's just really looking at the bigger picture, as of now only so few people would actually need this at this point in time.

SE now has even more of an economic motivation to spam us with sidegrades, not to mention identical but augmentable items that we can only use through wardrobes.

Though based on this game's core if they'd take the time to do that it'd honestly be better spent in other areas lol, I trust them far more with XI than I would XIV honestly since in comparison, XIV's playerbase ended up being the type that actually hates content to begin with and is okay with being charged for everything that was no longer "optional."

I mean, the "expansion" is a forced patch purchase if you want to play the new jobs let alone level past 50.

Eh, I honestly don't mean any offense towards you but this willingness of people to pay for more and more features is appalling to me.

In my view, I pay the subscription, that entitles me to the features within. I'm scared of a game where the company can slap a for-rent sticker on any feature they choose.

As per the agreement to even play the game you had to select "yes" to, you already agreed to them doing so. It's listed very clearly things can (and will) change regarding the game in any capacity, and your sub fee is largely just giving you access to the game. So yeah you did say "in my view", but in general terms, when they say things will change, they're not strictly saying "We'll be adding in new content", they're referring to numerous things. I mean, people usually scoffed at the "act of god" clause, but there's far too many who would try to sue SE to get the money back they spent because their house burnt down or a hurricane wiped out their area, so it's not surprising there's people who still believe a subscription fee somehow protects you from a cash shop or format change.

No one cried foul about the mini-add ons beyond the people who felt "I pay a sub, I should not have to buy an expansion or add-ons, it should be given to me for free."

[Selindrile]

No one cried foul about the mini-add ons beyond the people who felt "I pay a sub, I should not have to buy an expansion or add-ons, it should be given to me for free."

Mini expansions were a one time fee which represented a reasonable amount of new content, at least the abyssean ones did, the original three DID feel like ripoffs to me, and I and others did complain about that, the big issue now is the base price of 14$ a month is not being rewarded with a reasonable amount of new content, alone, much less being asked to pay -more- for something so bare bones.

I'm not buying the new wardrobes and I'm far closer to quitting now than before they were introduced, but I haven't left yet, mainly due to friends, but at some point soon that may change.

[Raydeus]

I only got the scenarios when they were discounted in some package or something, don't even remember anymore. But you can't compare them to these Wardrobes anyway.

Although on the Japanese side of things it seems to be a fairly popular opinion that it would be ok if these things were a 1 time buy only (mainly to help the game a bit) although the "this money isn't going towards XI is it?" comment follows soon after. Which surprises no one. :3

[OmnysValefor]

As per the agreement to even play the game you had to select "yes" to, you already agreed to them doing so. It's listed very clearly things can (and will) change regarding the game in any capacity, and your sub fee is largely just giving you access to the game.

Oh I know, what I meant by "I'm scared of a game where the company can slap a for-rent sticker on any feature they choose." is that a significant portion of the community is accepting of this, so they may continue to do so.

I won't deny that the majority is very likely supportive of paying for Wardrobes 3 & 4, but people are expressing willingness to pay for trusts. To pay for combat advantage.

[BurnNotice]

If that's all it takes for you to retire, you probably didn't care much for playing the game in the first place.

Not necessarily true. I love this game and been here for a full 14 years. I just don't see the significance of paying for Trust. Paying for storage is already a big issue. Like many players, I don't want to start paying for something that was free to begin with and not at this juncture of the game.

[Vold]

We'll only have our selves to blame for the inevitable, almost, if not totally impossible to pass up, future additions to their cash shop if this is a success. That moogle bank 1-5 is around the corner for a sweet 2 dolla charge per month where all characters have access to the same bank, revolutionizing the way we mule and so forth. $5 Fenrir mount? $25 for Odin's horse? Where does it end? When is enough enough?

You have to ask yourself the ultimate question: "Am I okay with paying a sub fee for FFXI for very very little in return besides the right to log into the server everyday AND paying 2-4 dollars a month for 80-160 storage?" If you can answer yes to that question without cringing then by all means, throw that money at SE. You've earned it, my friend.

But if you cringe because you hate the idea of this but at the end of the day you MUST have that extra storage, you really need to just retire some jobs or get rid of some shit in your bags. I have spent most of my career here with 90% capacity storage and often at 0%. But I know right now if I really REALLY wanted to, I could free up 80 slots no problem without sending away any gear.

If that's me, the only other type of player who needs space this badly is people who don't want to give jobs up. That I think is pretty crappy of SE. Charging for item storage is one thing(and still a terrible thing). Charging for wardrobe which sole purpose is to store gear for swapping on the fly...that's taking advantage of your customers. There will be plenty of people who get this 3&4 wardrobe as a result. Just no shame whatsoever out of SE camp...

[kallika]

I know for sure i wont be supporting this pay to play move by SE in this game. I've paid more then enough money with the sub alone for the past 14 years.


No Thanks this time SE

[Diavolo]

We'll only have our selves to blame for the inevitable, almost, if not totally impossible to pass up, future additions to their cash shop if this is a success. That moogle bank 1-5 is around the corner for a sweet 2 dolla charge per month where all characters have access to the same bank, revolutionizing the way we mule and so forth. $5 Fenrir mount? $25 for Odin's horse? Where does it end? When is enough enough?

While I'm completely against the idea of charging monthly fees for in game advantages such as extra mog wardrobes, I do think one time fees for mounts such as you described would be perfectly fine as they are purely cosmetic and allow those of us willing to support the developer with some extra cash a nice, little reward for doing so.