Availability of HMPs, Riftcinders, Riftdross

[Lonnan]

I know that VW is old content and probably not on the top of the list for development. However, the drop rates are even more of an issue now since it's no longer popular and items needed to upgrade empy weapons (and I'd throw in reforging relic armor too) is even harder to obtain.

Instead of rehashing a well stated problem, I would like to offer a solution. Can we implement a Delve or Vagary style method to allow players to buy drops. In Delve, players receive plasma for defeating monsters and NMs in the content. Players are then able to use the plasma to buy any drop from any Delve they have completed. This allows players to still obtain items they might not have been lucky enough to have obtained in the actual Delve. Vagary has a similar method allowing players to collect KIs that can be exchanged for zone drops. In both content players are rewarded for repeating the content even if they have no luck with treasure drops.

A similar system could be implemented in Voidwatch which would credit players for each successful battle and allow players to use those credits to purchase drops. Obviously this would change VW a bit and controls would need to be in place so that players cannot spam tier 1 fights and use them to purchase drops from tier 2 and tier 3 VWNMs. However, providing an alternate strategy for players to purchase drops (rather than dumb luck) would alleviate a lot of frustration.

While I am at it, it would be nice if UNM drops could also be purchased by exchanging a number of the UNMs signature drop. This is might be more controversial, but anytime people can be rewarded for work rather than luck is a good thing in my opinion.

[Olor]

While I am at it, it would be nice if UNM drops could also be purchased by exchanging a number of the UNMs signature drop. This is might be more controversial, but anytime people can be rewarded for work rather than luck is a good thing in my opinion.

It would be nice. Then people could just buy the item if they want and have trouble getting people to join in the content. There are lots of UNM I'd like stuff from but I don't have enough free time to justify spending hours shouting... would much rather do dynamis or something, sell the drops and get other things. Though I would love to do more of the content directly... but most people (who can hit things) have better gear options than 119-121 UNM offer and so are not super into doing those NMs.

[dasva]

I got Kaggen body in less than 10 runs but still don't have a Hekas even though I have done Akvan at least 500 times (probably way more) by this point.

The loot system wasn't exactly great but it did keep the content relevant for longer. VS now, when they release a new battle, hardcores have everything on it in like a week and then the content is dead... Also the fact that people of different gear levels can participate...

Haha. So like I was actually trying farm the bullet on a cor mule I don't plan on taking to 99... that mule by itself got 4 heka bodies before bullet. Not that Heka body was raining down but I just did that many before it dropped. Oddly though no one buying the pulses which I thought people would still want them. Oh well.

[Olor]

Haha. So like I was actually trying farm the bullet on a cor mule I don't plan on taking to 99... that mule by itself got 4 heka bodies before bullet. Not that Heka body was raining down but I just did that many before it dropped. Oddly though no one buying the pulses which I thought people would still want them. Oh well.

I'd be willing to buy pulses but not at the price people are asking... the body is not good enough to justify spending 2.5 mil on it anymore. Not when I could use that gil to buy something relevant.

Also that's very bad luck on the bullet. I have at least 3 of them. They don't drop that often though.

[OmnysValefor]

I have it, got it years ago (on the other hand, there's a few vw pieces I could never get) but I'd definitely spend 2m for a heka's. It's only a macro piece these days, but it's such a potent one. The same can't really be said for Mekira/Toci's.

[Olor]

I have it, got it years ago (on the other hand, there's a few vw pieces I could never get) but I'd definitely spend 2m for a heka's. It's only a macro piece these days, but it's such a potent one. The same can't really be said for Mekira/Toci's.

Can you explain what it's used to macro these days? Am I missing something that other pieces can't do better? I am not always sure what is good for what...

[BurnNotice]

I would hope one day they will be used for something like crystal petrifacts. Tons of lvl 99 gear, especially good ones from VW and Salvage, gone to waste. Especially those unique weapons HQ weapons from VW til this day tons of people still haven't seen dropped.

You know what would be cold-blooded? If the dev team decided to use those weapons as part the Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Ergon Weapon Reforging (knock on wood).

[Lonnan]

I would hope one day they will be used for something like crystal petrifacts. Tons of lvl 99 gear, especially good ones from VW and Salvage, gone to waste. Especially those unique weapons HQ weapons from VW til this day tons of people still haven't seen dropped.

You know what would be cold-blooded? If the dev team decided to use those weapons as part the Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and Ergon Weapon Reforging (knock on wood).

I actually thought about this the other day. We already have a universal currency system that (mostly) comes from completing high tier content and this is copper vouchers. Copper vouchers can already be used to purchase 119 REM upgrade mats, how hard would it be to add HMPS, Riftcinders, and Rift Dross to that list. Sure people will get some CVs from daily and time based RoE, but most of my vouchers come from exchanging unwanted gear. They could also add crystal petricfacts and sliver mirrors to the list of exchangable items. Ok since that content isn't 119, maybe they are only worth 400 or 200 points, but they drop a whole lot more often than the Empy upgrade mats and if you could turn them into CVs and the CVs into the needed mats, you are still making progress even when the VW gods aren't smiling your way. Plus it doesn't require the Devs to tinker with VW so it should be cheap and easy to implement. Just a thought.

[BurnNotice]

I actually thought about this the other day. We already have a universal currency system that (mostly) comes from completing high tier content and this is copper vouchers. Copper vouchers can already be used to purchase 119 REM upgrade mats, how hard would it be to add HMPS, Riftcinders, and Rift Dross to that list. Sure people will get some CVs from daily and time based RoE, but most of my vouchers come from exchanging unwanted gear. They could also add crystal petricfacts and sliver mirrors to the list of exchangable items. Ok since that content isn't 119, maybe they are only worth 400 or 200 points, but they drop a whole lot more often than the Empy upgrade mats and if you could turn them into CVs and the CVs into the needed mats, you are still making progress even when the VW gods aren't smiling your way. Plus it doesn't require the Devs to tinker with VW so it should be cheap and easy to implement. Just a thought.

That's a good point. It does make since to do it that way. Now if we can get the Dev team to see this point of view or any worthwhile suggestions, we will be in good shape. There's another forum with a discussion about a VW 2.0. It seems a lot of people want to see that happen for a few key reasons:

1) Content for all jobs to participate in at lvl 119+. I know some may say "Well, that's what Unity NMs are for". Which leads to the next reason.

2) Increase chance being reward a HMP pouch, Riftcinders, Riftdross, and new gear. Plus, an opportunity to for players to receive there own coffer after each win and stacking them just like Incursion and Unity battles.

3) Clearly, this was something that most people really did enjoy (then SR took the spotlight for a bit in a great way) and this is without the focus on HMPs Riftdross/Cinders.

So hopefully they will take your suggestion and others from this forum and the VW forum and really do something for us. This can be a win win for the dev and us without having the team to expand more resource.

[OmnysValefor]

Whether it makes sense or not is arguable. Being able to get HMP from vouchers would cause the market to crash, just like beitetsu, plutons, and boulders.