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[Malthar]

Let me weigh in on this.

Protey, you cannot compare what we did on Leviathan to what other people are able to do on other servers.
Remeber, in Leviathan we did 5+boss for delve, no problem? We even low manned it. A lot of people still think the game is difficult because they haven't gotten into the zone. It's no fault of theirs, or of ours. For example, here on Shiva almost everyone beads out 2-3 NM's to get to the boss. I have been trying my darndest to show them that they don't need to bead out anything. That 5+boss can be done easily and reliably. All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

And as for making mythics, relics, and empyreans, they really are not that difficult. All is takes is setting up a routine every day, and sticking to it. I remember when I used to do 100-200 coins a day in dynamis. But I stuck to it, improved on my methodologies and setups, and particularly didn't get bat-$hit crazy when people offered me advice. If people offer you advice, be it through a friendly, unfriendly, sarcastic, straight forward way, take it. It's not the advice that's malevolent. It's the person. But if it actually is good advice, take it. I now make 900 coins on a bad day and 1500+ on a good day just because I refined my methodology.

I used to think that making relics was too difficult and impossible. But then I brushed that chip off my shoulder and practiced patience, humility, and systematically ground out several. I used to also think that mythics were an impossibility, until I saw that several people were making them. So I practiced my aforementioned techniques and made one in a little more time than it took to complete all the assaults. The only reason why I didn't finish all of my assaults were complete is because I broke my technique and skipped dynamis and salvage several times. But if I had stuck to it, I would have had a significant amount of gil/alex/einherjar points left over. Now I'm starting on my second mythic, and that one is scheduled to be completed on time. Then I'll do a third, then fourth, etc...

And Machini, I can attest that Protey does not cheat nor lie. Arrows are jealous of him because he's so straight. I've offered a few times to find people to pull that 2x4 out of his a$$, but he has declined every time. :-D Love you Protey!

So, the point of all this is that even though Protey is coming off in an obnoxious way (love you Protey! , he really is giving you good advice. Take it and have your mythic.

Oh! Oh! One extra thing. One beastmaster with a rabbit can solo einherjar quite easily. Just round all the mobs up then spam whirl claws and and every wave will be dead in 1 to 2 minutes.

[machini]

Let me weigh in on this.

Protey, you cannot compare what we did on Leviathan to what other people are able to do on other servers.
Remeber, in Leviathan we did 5+boss for delve, no problem? We even low manned it. A lot of people still think the game is difficult because they haven't gotten into the zone. It's no fault of theirs, or of ours. For example, here on Shiva almost everyone beads out 2-3 NM's to get to the boss. I have been trying my darndest to show them that they don't need to bead out anything. That 5+boss can be done easily and reliably. All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

And as for making mythics, relics, and empyreans, they really are not that difficult. All is takes is setting up a routine every day, and sticking to it. I remember when I used to do 100-200 coins a day in dynamis. But I stuck to it, improved on my methodologies and setups, and particularly didn't get bat-$hit crazy when people offered me advice. If people offer you advice, be it through a friendly, unfriendly, sarcastic, straight forward way, take it. It's not the advice that's malevolent. It's the person. But if it actually is good advice, take it. I now make 900 coins on a bad day and 1500+ on a good day just because I refined my methodology.

I used to think that making relics was too difficult and impossible. But then I brushed that chip off my shoulder and practiced patience, humility, and systematically ground out several. I used to also think that mythics were an impossibility, until I saw that several people were making them. So I practiced my aforementioned techniques and made one in a little more time than it took to complete all the assaults. The only reason why I didn't finish all of my assaults were complete is because I broke my technique and skipped dynamis and salvage several times. But if I had stuck to it, I would have had a significant amount of gil/alex/einherjar points left over. Now I'm starting on my second mythic, and that one is scheduled to be completed on time. Then I'll do a third, then fourth, etc...

And Machini, I can attest that Protey does not cheat nor lie. Arrows are jealous of him because he's so straight. I've offered a few times to find people to pull that 2x4 out of his a$$, but he has declined every time. :-D Love you Protey!

So, the point of all this is that even though Protey is coming off in an obnoxious way (love you Protey! , he really is giving you good advice. Take it and have your mythic.

Oh! Oh! One extra thing. One beastmaster with a rabbit can solo einherjar quite easily. Just round all the mobs up then spam whirl claws and and every wave will be dead in 1 to 2 minutes.

Part of the problem I have with people who make claims like yours and Protey's is that they are constantly bragging about "I can make xxx amount of item a day" and never ever want to share how they manage to do that.

Or like with clearing 20-25 floors of Nyzul: How? That comes out to 90 seconds to to 72 seconds per floor, or less. So I really don't see how you can complete that legitimately in that time period with only three people.

Now, once again: It could totally be possible. But no one fucking feels like sharing these things, 'cause they might lose their monopoly.

And as to server to server differences: I have brought that up before, and no one believed me. I have seen things like mythic monks getting turned down for things because Glanzfaust isn't Oatixur, and Oatixur is 'the best'. There are other examples of stupidity of the player base on my server I could give, but this is a problem that comes up constantly with trying to do anything, and that is it looks like the majority of players on my server are brain dead idiots who can't even follow the simplest directions.

I once did Ceizak delve with a linkshell. We were all on voice chat. The person leading it went over the gimmicks for each mob, and had everyone sound off, either on voice chat or in game, and then we went in. Now, there was one monk in specific who was on voice chat with us, and had been speaking in voice chat. Everyone had been told not to do anything that debuffs on the gnat NM, especially MNKs should not use Shijin Spiral to avoid getting that debuff on all the melee dds. So what does this MNK do? Spam Shijin Spiral constantly on that NM, despite people in party, linkshell, and voice chat telling him to stop. All he did was spam Shijin Spiral over and over, dragging that fight out far longer than it should have gone, while demanding haste the whole time.

Another example would be trying to do things with an A/O PLD who doesn't know what supertanking is. But has been playing the game for years.

That's seriously about average for players on my server. Finding someone who is both well geared, able to follow directions, and has enough brain cells to understand why the directions are there is extremely difficult.

Between the shitty player base who can't be trusted with anything but the most absolutely foolproof strategies for things because they can't be trusted to do anything which requires more thought, even if it's better, and the RMTs constantly ruining the markets on crafting items, and players who have been playing for a decade who a) never feel like sharing any information on how to do things as well as they do, and b) have so much money that can literally buy almost anything they want and have a frustrating inability to understand what it's like to not have shit tons of gil to buy things with, it drives me crazy.

I am tired of seeing BRDS play two songs and then pick their noses in content because they can get away with that because you "absolutely must have a BRD for absolutely everything no matter what."
I am tired of seeing braindead MNKs who can't do anything but auto attack and WS, and don't know what formless strikes is despite being fully delve geared.
I am tired of seeing PLDs who don't know what supertanking is, despite having Aegis, Ochain, and full 119 reforge and D Rings.
I am tired of seeing people who don't understand things like how Trick Attack works, what cover does, why you'd use Formless Strikes, because they sped to 99 as fast as they could and never had to learn how to play a job.
I am tired of these people who refuse to believe anything anyone says about how the game works because they play "shit" jobs that are "completely useless" -- because they don't understand anything other than 'throw MNKs and SAMs at the problem'.
I am tired of people intentionally wiping delve runs because they refused to listen to directions and got themselves killed via their own stupidity.
I am tired of people ragequitting in the middle of delve runs because they refused to listen to directions and got themselves killed via their own stupidity, the rest of us going on, and finding out that had the person just waited until weakness wore, we would have won, but failed due to lack of damage.

Above all, I am tired of more experienced players who brag about their exploits and prowess, and never seem to want to actually share how to do these things. I am tired of scouring the internet for guides and tips for things, and never actually finding anything on them, or anyone willing to help me understand how to do something, or why it's done that way so I can get a better grasp of the mechanics. I am tired of dealing with people who constantly spout off about how everything I find difficult is 'easy', but never actually want to explain the strategy they use for it, or why it works.

I am angry. I'll admit that. I do not claim to be the best player, either in skill, gear, or technical understanding of how the game works. But I am tired of all my attempts to gain knowledge being thwarted by people who never seem to want to actually explain anything. I am tired of getting turned down for content that I have breezed through with friends because other players refuse to take a DNC on anything. I am tired of being told I am a fucking idiot for working on Terpsichore because its a "waste" of a mythic and DNC is a "shit" job that's "completely useless." I used to play RDM, and then found that no one seemed to want a RDM for anything. So I switched to WHM, and got tired of only ever getting to play WHM. I started playing DNC when two IRL friends started playing FFXI, after ignoring it for years, 'cause I played casters, and found I really liked it. I spent a lot of time and effort gearing it, and leveled it the old fashioned way -- partying with other people instead of just going to worms and keying, as is the way it's done on my server -- so I actually have some basic understanding of how the job works. And then I found out no one wanted a DNC. So I geared leveled and geared SAM and MNK and COR. I like COR, but I dislike getting yelled at for doing anything but being solely a buff bot. I understand why MNK and SAM are so useful on so much content, aside from both being very hard to screw up. But the most fun I have had playing this game in a long time was when a friend of a friend was putting together an Alluvion run, I got invited, and asked what to come as, and was told "whatever's fun". So we went with what we all wanted to play, instead of what is the "proper" party composition, and we both a) had fun and b) did okay.

So yes. I am angry. I am really, really angry. Now, this might all be due to the playerbase on my specific server. A lot of people I've known who I consider good players have ditched Asura for other servers. I'd be more than willing to ditch Asura, too, if it turns out Asura is actually a 'bad' server compared to some other ones, except for the fact that all my friends play on Asura.

So tell me what I'm supposed to do. Just tell me what I'm supposed to do, even if it's "quit the game". 'cause at this point I'm at my wit's end. And even if the problem is simply the server I am on having a shitty player base, tell me what I'm supposed to do when my four other friends don't want to change servers.

And I am sorry for being such an asshole in the heat of the moment, but I just don't think you understand exactly how frustrated I have become. I am embarrassed to admit it, but I'm crying right now, not because I'm sad, or injured, but just because I got so damn angry writing this post.

So tell me what I'm supposed to do.

[Byrth]

I trioed 20-25 floors regularly in NI too. There's no particular secret to it. Set up your lamp strategy before you go in, everyone bring S/I, and everyone splits up when you zone in to each floor.

As far as making gil, do Dynamis and Salvage. 120 Alexandrite average in an hour in Arrapago II is about 1mil/hr. Dynamis is maybe 400 currency in 2 hours, which is also about 1mil/hr. After that, doing Yorcia Delve runs is good gil if you have a group for it. You can low man (6 or fewer) it pretty easily and it drops about 2mil in items and 110k Plasm (500k). If you have good DDs, you can finish a run in 15 minutes, which works out to about 3mil/hr even assuming you bring a full 6 people.

The NA community is facing something of a crisis as more hardcore players that just want to put in their hours and chip away at events are forced to interact with / get frustrated by more casual players who want to log in and experience each type of content once. These two groups used to be able to avoid each other, but our community is constricting and now they interact. This is not fun for either group.


If it makes you feel any better, I play mythic DNC, RME BRD, Idris GEO, RME PLD and mythic BLM and still can't get invited to most JP events. There's approximately one NA shout event every other night at best on Lakshmi, so this is kind of an issue. I basically have nothing to do in game (not that I have time to do it, but theoretically).

[Protey]

Set up your lamp strategy before you go in, everyone bring S/I, and everyone splits up when you zone in to each floor..

The bolded is a BIG time waster if you go in the same direction. My group has the 2 DD head out while the BRD stays at lamp for going up quickly.

The majority of the time lamp floors will only have sneak aggro mobs. Use a sneak oil, or be adept at being able to trigger a lamp without getting "event skipped" message. One person should be in charge of telling everyone else what to do on Order lamps. Hopefully, Machini, you have someone in your group that has a logical mind. When someone gets to a lamp they type "1", then the next person types "2" when they get a lamp. and so on. If someone has more than one lamp, they need to not be retarded and remember which one is "3" and which one is "4". After a few seconds the lamps will either stay on or go off. Everyone needs to say "1 on", "2 off", "3 off", etc. I prefer if people type it out just in case someone does something stupid like not go when they are supposed to go and i have the evidence in chatlog to bitch them out. Once you tell them the new revised order (shift everything over by one, but making sure that if any were on they stay in that position) each person will type "/" to let people know they have gone. For Same Time lamps hit it as soon as you find one and keep going, but remember where it was. If others don't get theirs as fast you might have to backtrack once they do get theirs. If yours goes off, make sure you tell them so you guys aren't playing the "out of synch" game.

Everyone in your group should have movement speed + gear.

When going through the floors that are overly large you will go from room to room that is in a Z shape on one side (longer path) and the other path of the room just goes around the outside wall (faster path). Adjacent rooms alternate which side the Z shape is on. 99/100 the "impossible to gauge" mobs you are looking to kill are not going to be in the inner part of the Z shape room and so you can go on the outside of that Z shape room and onto a side room.


Any other questions about mythic making, just ask.

[Protey]

All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

them psychos! i wonder whom you might be referring to =P

[Malthar]

Machini,

From your posts, I'm gathering that if you were a little nicer and less insulting that people would be more open to help you. Protey just gave you same fantastically valuable strategies. Will you accept them or just call him selfish and accuse him of not sharing again?

[machini]

Machini,

From your posts, I'm gathering that if you were a little nicer and less insulting that people would be more open to help you. Protey just gave you same fantastically valuable strategies. Will you accept them or just call him selfish and accuse him of not sharing again?

This might be nigh unto necrobumping, since it's two months later, but it's taken me this long to work up the ability to even return to this thread.

Malthar, it might be hard to believe, but I am a very nice person most of the time. I try to help other people with content when I can, I try to help them with any advice I might be able to give them, and if they need an extra body for something and I'm not previously engaged, I go throw myself at whatever task it is. I first started playing this game shortly after NA release, and have played on and off over the years, and one of my favorite things about this game was how polite and helpful everyone seemed to be, because there was so little that could be done by yourself. Or at least that's how I remember it.

However, I do have my limit, like pretty much any other human being, and I got pushed to that limit. People talking about being able to make 900 currency a day solo in Dynamis and refusing to say why? Oh, turns out he was using cheats to warp around the zone. Dude who mocked me for being unable to solo 25/+ floors of Nzyul for tokens starting at 96? Running through walls. A bunch of people who kept telling me how easy mythics were and how they could do them so fast? Seem to have been exploiting something in salvage and in getting assault tags.

My server recently lost a lot of players it seems. Something about using SE recently banning a bunch of botters.

I really don't want to know any more about such things than I already do.

It is extremely frustrating when I read people say one thing on this forum, and then I go to certain other forums and find out those people are just exploiting bastards and that THAT is why they don't want to share information. It's also extremely frustrating finding yourself locked out of a lot of content because you won't literally cheat to get ahead.

As to Protey and Bryth above, I do thank you. I am sorry I exploded in such a fashion, and I am very ashamed of it, but I had reached a limit. I'm currently working on Ichor and doing Assaults, having to duo the assaults since three of my four friends quit the game. Myself and the friend I am currently playing with both actually took roughly two months of break ourselves. Depending on our luck in Nyzul, I should have Terpsichore and my friend could have Burtgang done in about 60 days.

Again, I do want to apologize, but I just really, really was at my wit's end.

[dasva]

I now make 900 coins on a bad day and 1500+ on a good day just because I refined my methodology..

How in the world do you do 900-1500 coins a day? Is this multiple runs?

[Protey]

This might be nigh unto necrobumping, since it's two months later, but it's taken me this long to work up the ability to even return to this thread.

Malthar, it might be hard to believe, but I am a very nice person most of the time. I try to help other people with content when I can, I try to help them with any advice I might be able to give them, and if they need an extra body for something and I'm not previously engaged, I go throw myself at whatever task it is. I first started playing this game shortly after NA release, and have played on and off over the years, and one of my favorite things about this game was how polite and helpful everyone seemed to be, because there was so little that could be done by yourself. Or at least that's how I remember it.

However, I do have my limit, like pretty much any other human being, and I got pushed to that limit. People talking about being able to make 900 currency a day solo in Dynamis and refusing to say why? Oh, turns out he was using cheats to warp around the zone. Dude who mocked me for being unable to solo 25/+ floors of Nzyul for tokens starting at 96? Running through walls. A bunch of people who kept telling me how easy mythics were and how they could do them so fast? Seem to have been exploiting something in salvage and in getting assault tags.

My server recently lost a lot of players it seems. Something about using SE recently banning a bunch of botters.

I really don't want to know any more about such things than I already do.

It is extremely frustrating when I read people say one thing on this forum, and then I go to certain other forums and find out those people are just exploiting bastards and that THAT is why they don't want to share information. It's also extremely frustrating finding yourself locked out of a lot of content because you won't literally cheat to get ahead.

As to Protey and Bryth above, I do thank you. I am sorry I exploded in such a fashion, and I am very ashamed of it, but I had reached a limit. I'm currently working on Ichor and doing Assaults, having to duo the assaults since three of my four friends quit the game. Myself and the friend I am currently playing with both actually took roughly two months of break ourselves. Depending on our luck in Nyzul, I should have Terpsichore and my friend could have Burtgang done in about 60 days.

Again, I do want to apologize, but I just really, really was at my wit's end.

It's all good. I understand your frustrations with cheaters as just running around I see them every day. I made four mythics last year without cheating. How? I have more than one character so I did salvage twice a day. Meticulously. I also would either craft or spam events like delve to get gil and buy as much alex as I could. The vast majority of the assaults I could do by myself but would ask my LS for like 1 or 2 people to help out with the couple I couldn't do myself. einherjar is shouted for by multiple people every day on my server. So really, except for a couple assaults that one would need to ask for help, all a mythic requires is dedication to the grind.

[Malthar]

How in the world do you do 900-1500 coins a day? Is this multiple runs?

I three box. It's madness, I know, and you have to have the dexterity of six hands instead of two, but with all this activity going on I have no time to think that I hate dynamis and before I know it, two hours is up.

The setup I take is dancer X2, and a thief. The dancers have no sub and do all the procing. The thief wears full TH8 and is the killer. Fight all nm's you find. They have a chance of dropping 100's. My record is 6 100's in one run from white procs and NM's. Some nights I don't get a single 100, though. Have lots of inventory free and keep your camps close together. Do not turn while procing. If a mob refuses to proc, fight it till it's dead or proc'ed. Just make sure you have th on it. And finally, become a robot. Don't get upset that a mob didn't proc or that someone stole one of your proc'ed mobs. Just adjust and continue.