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[machini]

10 floors? really? urdoinitwrong. i go 2x DD + brd and get to floor 15 - 20, starting at 96. that's 20 to 25 floors. getting anywhere between 8k and 10k tokens. If you take more than 3 you'll get a penalty, but that's your choice. You still should be getting way more than 10 floors done.

And no, even though I have made 5 mythics I did not have any stored currency. It takes roughly 69 days at 8k tokens a day to make a mythic (assuming you already had captain).

The only hard part really about doing mythics is getting people to do a few of the assaults with you that are unsoloable. The rest is just a grind. In comparison, empyreans are easy solo, relics are easy solo, and ergons are easy solo... at least while people still do delve so you can get your plasm. Most of REME are just a grind and not difficult. They only become difficult when you have parts that you can't solo and there aren't others readily willing to help (assaults, and one day delve). You at least have a group willing to help you so you should be thankful for that at least.

Would you mind telling me how you get the Ichor? Last time I checked, Einherjar has a six player minimum.

As to Nyzul, we have not done five man nyzul yet. We've done three, and we can't do more than 10 floors reliably. Just can't figure it out.

'cause honestly, at this point, we've wracked our brains and researched everything we could find on how to do these things as quickly and efficiently as we can, and we can't seem to get it going any faster.

[InpendingDeath]

R/E/M needs a massive overhaul to begin with.
First and foremost, HMPs need to be obtained from more places.
Every VWNM should drop either several plates or a pouch. Chance of pouch varies on the tier, so if you are fighting a sandy T1 NM it is like 1% and if you are fighting Pil its like 10%.
Final stage of Empy should not be 3000...

Mythic weapons just need to be redone from scratch.
Never forget when these came out, it was the biggest laugh and still is.
Some have weird and obnoxious WS modifiers and others are just plain useless.
Alexandrites... this is the most discussed problem in R/E/Ms along side HMPs. 30,000 is beyond a joke. Make it 10,000 and increase ways to obtain slightly.
These are just some quick thoughts, i would love to go deeper but time is money!

Plates aren't the problem, there the easy part. The problem is Cinders/Dross. No one does these NMs anymore cause they'd rather do T3s and reforge material VWs. You can join T3s and buy all the plates and do pouch NMs which people still do and get plates easy. If it's too hard for you don't do it.

[machini]

Also, I'm calling bullshit on your claim that Empyrean weapons are easy solo. Please explain how you get 1500 HMP and 60 Riftdross EASY solo.

[Protey]

Also, I'm calling bullshit on your claim that Empyrean weapons are easy solo. Please explain how you get 1500 HMP and 60 Riftdross EASY solo.

buy them, just like relic currency for relics.

[machini]

Oh. And you claim ERGON weapons are easy SOLO, too. You're either a cheater or a liar, or both.

[Protey]

Oh. And you claim ERGON weapons are easy SOLO, too. You're either a cheater or a liar, or both.

you are crass. but to answer your allegations: don't need to cheat to get H-P Bayld, just go do coalition assignments and reives or buy from bazaars. While it is possible to solo plasm and it is quite easy to do so, it is not recommended as it would take a very long time compared with joining a group to do delve 1-5 + boss.

[Byrth]

I duo Einherjar with another fellow. Einherjar does have a 6 man minimum if you're going to stay more than 10 minutes, but you can clear all Tier 3 chambers in under 10 minutes with two players. Use a Blue Mage or Black Mage set up for AoE damage and a healer.

We do Tier 3 Einherjar as BLM + WHM -> Use Tear / Wing to enter Odin solo on SMN -> repeat.

It averages out to about 2.5k Ampuoles a day.

[Malthar]

Let me weigh in on this.

Protey, you cannot compare what we did on Leviathan to what other people are able to do on other servers.
Remeber, in Leviathan we did 5+boss for delve, no problem? We even low manned it. A lot of people still think the game is difficult because they haven't gotten into the zone. It's no fault of theirs, or of ours. For example, here on Shiva almost everyone beads out 2-3 NM's to get to the boss. I have been trying my darndest to show them that they don't need to bead out anything. That 5+boss can be done easily and reliably. All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

And as for making mythics, relics, and empyreans, they really are not that difficult. All is takes is setting up a routine every day, and sticking to it. I remember when I used to do 100-200 coins a day in dynamis. But I stuck to it, improved on my methodologies and setups, and particularly didn't get bat-$hit crazy when people offered me advice. If people offer you advice, be it through a friendly, unfriendly, sarcastic, straight forward way, take it. It's not the advice that's malevolent. It's the person. But if it actually is good advice, take it. I now make 900 coins on a bad day and 1500+ on a good day just because I refined my methodology.

I used to think that making relics was too difficult and impossible. But then I brushed that chip off my shoulder and practiced patience, humility, and systematically ground out several. I used to also think that mythics were an impossibility, until I saw that several people were making them. So I practiced my aforementioned techniques and made one in a little more time than it took to complete all the assaults. The only reason why I didn't finish all of my assaults were complete is because I broke my technique and skipped dynamis and salvage several times. But if I had stuck to it, I would have had a significant amount of gil/alex/einherjar points left over. Now I'm starting on my second mythic, and that one is scheduled to be completed on time. Then I'll do a third, then fourth, etc...

And Machini, I can attest that Protey does not cheat nor lie. Arrows are jealous of him because he's so straight. I've offered a few times to find people to pull that 2x4 out of his a$$, but he has declined every time. :-D Love you Protey!

So, the point of all this is that even though Protey is coming off in an obnoxious way (love you Protey! , he really is giving you good advice. Take it and have your mythic.

Oh! Oh! One extra thing. One beastmaster with a rabbit can solo einherjar quite easily. Just round all the mobs up then spam whirl claws and and every wave will be dead in 1 to 2 minutes.

[machini]

Let me weigh in on this.

Protey, you cannot compare what we did on Leviathan to what other people are able to do on other servers.
Remeber, in Leviathan we did 5+boss for delve, no problem? We even low manned it. A lot of people still think the game is difficult because they haven't gotten into the zone. It's no fault of theirs, or of ours. For example, here on Shiva almost everyone beads out 2-3 NM's to get to the boss. I have been trying my darndest to show them that they don't need to bead out anything. That 5+boss can be done easily and reliably. All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

And as for making mythics, relics, and empyreans, they really are not that difficult. All is takes is setting up a routine every day, and sticking to it. I remember when I used to do 100-200 coins a day in dynamis. But I stuck to it, improved on my methodologies and setups, and particularly didn't get bat-$hit crazy when people offered me advice. If people offer you advice, be it through a friendly, unfriendly, sarcastic, straight forward way, take it. It's not the advice that's malevolent. It's the person. But if it actually is good advice, take it. I now make 900 coins on a bad day and 1500+ on a good day just because I refined my methodology.

I used to think that making relics was too difficult and impossible. But then I brushed that chip off my shoulder and practiced patience, humility, and systematically ground out several. I used to also think that mythics were an impossibility, until I saw that several people were making them. So I practiced my aforementioned techniques and made one in a little more time than it took to complete all the assaults. The only reason why I didn't finish all of my assaults were complete is because I broke my technique and skipped dynamis and salvage several times. But if I had stuck to it, I would have had a significant amount of gil/alex/einherjar points left over. Now I'm starting on my second mythic, and that one is scheduled to be completed on time. Then I'll do a third, then fourth, etc...

And Machini, I can attest that Protey does not cheat nor lie. Arrows are jealous of him because he's so straight. I've offered a few times to find people to pull that 2x4 out of his a$$, but he has declined every time. :-D Love you Protey!

So, the point of all this is that even though Protey is coming off in an obnoxious way (love you Protey! , he really is giving you good advice. Take it and have your mythic.

Oh! Oh! One extra thing. One beastmaster with a rabbit can solo einherjar quite easily. Just round all the mobs up then spam whirl claws and and every wave will be dead in 1 to 2 minutes.

Part of the problem I have with people who make claims like yours and Protey's is that they are constantly bragging about "I can make xxx amount of item a day" and never ever want to share how they manage to do that.

Or like with clearing 20-25 floors of Nyzul: How? That comes out to 90 seconds to to 72 seconds per floor, or less. So I really don't see how you can complete that legitimately in that time period with only three people.

Now, once again: It could totally be possible. But no one fucking feels like sharing these things, 'cause they might lose their monopoly.

And as to server to server differences: I have brought that up before, and no one believed me. I have seen things like mythic monks getting turned down for things because Glanzfaust isn't Oatixur, and Oatixur is 'the best'. There are other examples of stupidity of the player base on my server I could give, but this is a problem that comes up constantly with trying to do anything, and that is it looks like the majority of players on my server are brain dead idiots who can't even follow the simplest directions.

I once did Ceizak delve with a linkshell. We were all on voice chat. The person leading it went over the gimmicks for each mob, and had everyone sound off, either on voice chat or in game, and then we went in. Now, there was one monk in specific who was on voice chat with us, and had been speaking in voice chat. Everyone had been told not to do anything that debuffs on the gnat NM, especially MNKs should not use Shijin Spiral to avoid getting that debuff on all the melee dds. So what does this MNK do? Spam Shijin Spiral constantly on that NM, despite people in party, linkshell, and voice chat telling him to stop. All he did was spam Shijin Spiral over and over, dragging that fight out far longer than it should have gone, while demanding haste the whole time.

Another example would be trying to do things with an A/O PLD who doesn't know what supertanking is. But has been playing the game for years.

That's seriously about average for players on my server. Finding someone who is both well geared, able to follow directions, and has enough brain cells to understand why the directions are there is extremely difficult.

Between the shitty player base who can't be trusted with anything but the most absolutely foolproof strategies for things because they can't be trusted to do anything which requires more thought, even if it's better, and the RMTs constantly ruining the markets on crafting items, and players who have been playing for a decade who a) never feel like sharing any information on how to do things as well as they do, and b) have so much money that can literally buy almost anything they want and have a frustrating inability to understand what it's like to not have shit tons of gil to buy things with, it drives me crazy.

I am tired of seeing BRDS play two songs and then pick their noses in content because they can get away with that because you "absolutely must have a BRD for absolutely everything no matter what."
I am tired of seeing braindead MNKs who can't do anything but auto attack and WS, and don't know what formless strikes is despite being fully delve geared.
I am tired of seeing PLDs who don't know what supertanking is, despite having Aegis, Ochain, and full 119 reforge and D Rings.
I am tired of seeing people who don't understand things like how Trick Attack works, what cover does, why you'd use Formless Strikes, because they sped to 99 as fast as they could and never had to learn how to play a job.
I am tired of these people who refuse to believe anything anyone says about how the game works because they play "shit" jobs that are "completely useless" -- because they don't understand anything other than 'throw MNKs and SAMs at the problem'.
I am tired of people intentionally wiping delve runs because they refused to listen to directions and got themselves killed via their own stupidity.
I am tired of people ragequitting in the middle of delve runs because they refused to listen to directions and got themselves killed via their own stupidity, the rest of us going on, and finding out that had the person just waited until weakness wore, we would have won, but failed due to lack of damage.

Above all, I am tired of more experienced players who brag about their exploits and prowess, and never seem to want to actually share how to do these things. I am tired of scouring the internet for guides and tips for things, and never actually finding anything on them, or anyone willing to help me understand how to do something, or why it's done that way so I can get a better grasp of the mechanics. I am tired of dealing with people who constantly spout off about how everything I find difficult is 'easy', but never actually want to explain the strategy they use for it, or why it works.

I am angry. I'll admit that. I do not claim to be the best player, either in skill, gear, or technical understanding of how the game works. But I am tired of all my attempts to gain knowledge being thwarted by people who never seem to want to actually explain anything. I am tired of getting turned down for content that I have breezed through with friends because other players refuse to take a DNC on anything. I am tired of being told I am a fucking idiot for working on Terpsichore because its a "waste" of a mythic and DNC is a "shit" job that's "completely useless." I used to play RDM, and then found that no one seemed to want a RDM for anything. So I switched to WHM, and got tired of only ever getting to play WHM. I started playing DNC when two IRL friends started playing FFXI, after ignoring it for years, 'cause I played casters, and found I really liked it. I spent a lot of time and effort gearing it, and leveled it the old fashioned way -- partying with other people instead of just going to worms and keying, as is the way it's done on my server -- so I actually have some basic understanding of how the job works. And then I found out no one wanted a DNC. So I geared leveled and geared SAM and MNK and COR. I like COR, but I dislike getting yelled at for doing anything but being solely a buff bot. I understand why MNK and SAM are so useful on so much content, aside from both being very hard to screw up. But the most fun I have had playing this game in a long time was when a friend of a friend was putting together an Alluvion run, I got invited, and asked what to come as, and was told "whatever's fun". So we went with what we all wanted to play, instead of what is the "proper" party composition, and we both a) had fun and b) did okay.

So yes. I am angry. I am really, really angry. Now, this might all be due to the playerbase on my specific server. A lot of people I've known who I consider good players have ditched Asura for other servers. I'd be more than willing to ditch Asura, too, if it turns out Asura is actually a 'bad' server compared to some other ones, except for the fact that all my friends play on Asura.

So tell me what I'm supposed to do. Just tell me what I'm supposed to do, even if it's "quit the game". 'cause at this point I'm at my wit's end. And even if the problem is simply the server I am on having a shitty player base, tell me what I'm supposed to do when my four other friends don't want to change servers.

And I am sorry for being such an asshole in the heat of the moment, but I just don't think you understand exactly how frustrated I have become. I am embarrassed to admit it, but I'm crying right now, not because I'm sad, or injured, but just because I got so damn angry writing this post.

So tell me what I'm supposed to do.

[Protey]

All it takes is coordination, communication, and no psycho's to frazzle everyone's nerves.

them psychos! i wonder whom you might be referring to =P