The importance of job points

[detlef]

There is always a necessity for change as a game advances, but don't act like these responses have been directed towards a futuristic look at the job point system. This is directed at the now and present, and in fact, The Feb update. We aren't talking about future development for the game, again, the pinnacles of the most recent arguments have been directly related towards people not wanting to do JPs to get the new BLM spells, which resulted in an overall argument of the JP system. It's safe to assume, even more so looking at the ease of obtaining merits now, that this won't be the rate at CPs are gained forever, but given what we have from JPs and Gifts in current time, there is no logical reasoning (well maybe there is, but none have actually been provided, unless FrankReynolds calling us stupid and wrong = logical reasoning) behind increasing the rates of gaining CP other than the fact of people being lazy. Considering that people have already mentioned wanting to prioritize other content over actual CP farming, the implication stands, hence the arguments in the first place. Which if these people would actually read, know that my stance has always been directed as basically admitting to being lazy (inb4 same people ask for quotes again, are given them, still deny ever being said).

I'd welcome perma-double CP right now. It's definitely coming in the future, but I don't see why they couldn't implement it now. People who don't want to touch CP farming even during the double CP campaigns are still going to avoid it. I'll be out there regardless.

I've also pointed out the easy in obtaining 330 jps at least during double CP campaigns, which actually, already pointing out to cammiee(sp, don't care to look up name), should probably just be permanently on since I'm willing to bet the majority of CP farming really only happens during these. I know that's when I do mine.

I assume you're capped on JP on at least one job right? You'd have to be the way you've been talking. At least Protey's been making Mythic weapons and can use that as a reason for not working on JPs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't FFXIAH default to showing JP so you'd have to hide them manually?

I think there is another problem stemming with JPs where people want to be able to obtain them on all jobs no matter what job they are on. I hope this feature will never be implemented. I very much enjoy the thought of people having to play the job they want JPs on. Obviously it will be easier to obtain JPs on some jobs than other jobs, but this is the case in ALL video games in general of certain jobs/classes/set ups/whatever being better at something vs another. It is almost impossible to fine tune jobs to such perfection that they are equal across the board.

I'm probably on board with having to be on a specific job to earn JP. Unless you're absolutely shooting for max CP/hour, jobs can be pretty flexible for a CP group. I don't sense much pushback from the community on this one. Yeah some jobs got left out of merit PTs back in the day but having all the bandwagon BRDs and SAMs wasn't much better. With trusts you can conjure up your own support jobs anyway.

[Stompa]

Yes... but that's okay cause each of us can only play 1 job at a time... so if I have 1 or 2 jobs maxed out, and that's what I bring to the party I am exactly equal (at that time) to anyone else with their job maxed out. It doesn't matter if they have 22 jobs maxed out as long as the job I am on is maxed out. Hardcores have always been able to offer more job flexibility etc and that is okay, I don't think anyone has a problem with that.

As it is many hardcores have maxed out several jobs and many casuals don't have any jobs maxed so it's actually more imbalanced than making it a bit easier to obtain (especially solo) for the causal players. All it does is narrow the gap somewhat.

What I'd like to see:

-Double CP rates become standard CP rates
-Solo or other more causal opportunities to gain high percentage CP mantle or the like (seems weird/its bad design that SE actually made it easier for hardcore players to cap out CP than for casuals with hard to get mantle)
-increase "capacity ring" bonus to "vocation ring" levels or let us buy vocation rings.
-increase the amount of CP gained solo (I can see the argument against this one and am willing to admit this is purely selfish since I find it hard to party with my fave job)
-allow CP gain in older areas under level sync (crazy, I know, encouraging people to level together!)

Yeah my post wasn't actually complaining that some people play extended time and some people play an hour or two a day. My post was more about the essence of Jobpoints, which is that they are advanced customisation of your job. They are not supposed to be the same as going from level 15 to 16 in a Dunes party.

Jobpoints are the pinnacle of achievement in a given job, they SHOULD BE hard to get because they represent a Specialised Mastery of a particular job. So if the extended playtime person, wanted to get super flying godhood status on every job in the game, he should totally have to work crazy hard to do so. Because in RPG tradition, there are Masters of a specific class, but it would be super rare to see a Master of all classes, and that person would be a Demi-God at the very least.

It is easy to overlook this important point, when we start to break FFXI down into just number-crunching. These particular numbers (CAP) are not the same as other numbers, they represent an ultra-high level of proficiency and specialisation which mark the person as a true Master of that job. So they should be hard to cap out. That makes them more meaningful.

And it really isn't impossible for a casual player to choose a main job, and solo with trusts to get capacity points for a few hours on their evening game time. If you do that with dedication, you will have a main job with capped jobpoints eventually, and be a Master of that job in the roleplaying setting. It would take a few months if you were really casual. But you could do it. If Jobpoints are made too easy, the Mastery will become Standard, which would make people feel less happy about their accomplishments.

Merit points are a good comparison, I felt very proud of the merits I earned in the pre-aby days, but then when aby arrived and any naked mule could cap merits while AFK in their pyjamas, I felt less proud of my own merits that I had worked hard for in TOAU and even earlier. Because that mastery I had worked hard for in some really fast-paced merit parties (I was the stressed-out WHM in those parties lol), this achievement had now become something that mules could get while they were literally asleep in their little starting-gear pyjamas at flux 8 altepa[a].

[PlumbGame]

I assume you're capped on JP on at least one job right? You'd have to be the way you've been talking. At least Protey's been making Mythic weapons and can use that as a reason for not working on JPs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't FFXIAH default to showing JP so you'd have to hide them manually?

Yes, capped on JP points for thief, and working on Burtgang and just finished Aegis if this is the info you looking for? Not exactly sure how to set FFXIAH to display job points, honestly I think it was about 2 weeks ago I finally sycned my account there? I'm pretty sure I enabled to show everything. When I was at the options all the things say no on whether to hide or not. So I can't tell you why they don't show.

Though I don't know what any relevance this has with our discussion except trying to take a cheap shot at me, especially since not having all JPs and claiming they are easy to get just shows even more that they should be easy to get when someone on the side of the lower end of JPs even thinks they are easy.

[detlef]

Edit: Deleted because you just won't get anything through your thick skull.

Yes, capped on JP points for thief, and working on Burtgang and just finished Aegis if this is the info you looking for? Not exactly sure how to set FFXIAH to display job points, honestly I think it was about 2 weeks ago I finally sycned my account there? I'm pretty sure I enabled to show everything. When I was at the options all the things say no on whether to hide or not. So I can't tell you why they don't show.

Though I don't know what any relevance this has with our discussion except trying to take a cheap shot at me, especially since not having all JPs and claiming they are easy to get just shows even more that they should be easy to get when someone on the side of the lower end of JPs even thinks they are easy.

Oh I thought you were BSing. And people were taking shots at each others accomplishments based on FFXIAH profiles so it seemed kosher (at least in this thread).

If you argue JP should be a certain way, your viewpoint has more credibility when you've already put in the hours farming them. So I respect your opinion a little more now.

[dasva]

indeed it is. i'll give an example: say you go to make a mythic. first day you farm 100 alex. before you go onto the next day to farm another 100 alex SE announces it will only take 100 alex to make a mythic. In essence, you just got 29,900 alex for free (not to mention almost all of the mythic).

indeed it isn't. i'll give an example: say you go to make a mythic. first day you farm 100 alex. before you go onto the next day to farm another 100 alex SE announces it will only take 29900 alex to make a mythic. In reality, you still only have 100 alex (not to mention almost all of the mythic still to make).

[Protey]

indeed it isn't. i'll give an example: say you go to make a mythic. first day you farm 100 alex. before you go onto the next day to farm another 100 alex SE announces it will only take 29900 alex to make a mythic. In reality, you still only have 100 alex (not to mention almost all of the mythic still to make).

indeed it still is. you just got 100 alex for free as it takes 100 less than what it did before. instead of having left to farm 29,900 you only have to farm 29,800.

[PlumbGame]

Yeah now read that again and see how it is highly subjective. Nice try though trying to make your opinion fact. Now read back to where you said they actually said it not that you purposefully read more into there statements

What?

Also, I did FACTUALLY gain 20jps an hour, it isn't my opinion that I did it and that it may be possible.

[PlumbGame]

Oh I thought you were BSing. And people were taking shots at each others accomplishments based on FFXIAH profiles so it seemed kosher (at least in this thread).

If you argue JP should be a certain way, your viewpoint has more credibility when you've already put in the hours farming them. So I respect your opinion a little more now.

Aww ok, the only reason FFXIAH got brought up is because when you argue with people you tend to maybe try and do some research on them (past posts etc...) at least I do. So Protey I think it was used FFXIAH to research the FrankReynolds guy a little and the site is pretty accurate when it comes to using the AH and stuff obviously, and from all relevant info on this FFXIAH profile, he doesn't even play. Granted he may never sell stuff on the AH (highly unlikely) etc.. So was tossed around that his opinion is irrelevant since he doesn't even play the game, which he actually hasn't refuted at all making it even worse imo, but whatever.

[FrankReynolds]

What?

Also, I did FACTUALLY gain 20jps an hour, it isn't my opinion that I did it and that it may be possible.

I'm curious as to what / where you were killing. Maybe you would get more people on your side if you told us how exactly that we can get 10,000 CP a minute.

indeed it still is. you just got 100 alex for free as it takes 100 less than what it did before. instead of having left to farm 29,900 you only have to farm 29,800.

Not exactly game breaking.

[dasva]

What?

Also, I did FACTUALLY gain 20jps an hour, it isn't my opinion that I did it and that it may be possible.

Whoa there cowboy you need to stop taking things purposefully out of context and/or mixing up one quote with another or combining them or flat out interjecting your own opinion as fact. Reread what I wrote again and what I quoted and what that was in response to and try to find where your jp/hr was even mentioned

er edit: nvm doesn't seem you can as that whole quote train seems gone now including what you just quoted... how weird. Regardless it was in reference you your whole saying those people implied they wanted it for free