Quote Originally Posted by Crevox View Post
It may be "common" to you, but the weapon is by no means easy to obtain.
The discussion is about Ergons and their comparable strength to other weapons. Regardless of DD vs tank, it's more about what the weapon does to improve that job. If Delve is still "by no means easy" then I don't think someone should be eying an Ergon.

Mythic weapons require much more effort than an Ergon Weapon; Ergon Weapons are just more expensive.
You'd have to define effort. Nearly everything concerning a Mythic is soloable. Not so with Ergons, unless you want to argue that eating Yggrete is a realistic way to earn 2.5 mil plasm. Otherwise, and if Tsuru is still hard to get you're in trouble, you'd have to farm 2.5 mil plasm in Delve. Mythics requirements can be knocked out within 100 days (50 days getting Captain, another 50 days to do the books, tokens, ampules, NMs, and Alex all bought/farmed within those 100 days). Ergons require just shy of 3/4 of a year just to complete Legend in all coalitions. Sure, in that time you can get your plasm, get your obsidian fragments (use Copper Vouchers for fragments, or buy Ghastly Stones +2 to trade in, or just do lots of Skirmish), buy/win the lot on your Delve mats, and spend hours upon hours upon hours shouting for HPBs.

HPBs themselves are a different beast than other currency. HPBs themselves come from only 3 sources in the game. Random drop from Lair/Colonization Reives, drop rate seems dependant on the area, but 10-20% is a rough ball park. WKRs drop 1 HPB per completion, and have a terribly low (seriously, gotta be 5% or less) drop rate of boxes which yield 3-15 HPBs. And Incursion Gramk coffers are capable of giving HPBs. I've gotten a few singles from his NQ coffers, and I once got 4 from an HQ Gramk coffer. That's it, no other dropped sources of HPBs.

Oh, but we can exchange our bayld for HPBs! Altana be praised! Until human nature steps in. SoA is an ongoing expansion, no one is capable of saying if/when Bayld may serve additional purposes. Infact, just this past update it was given a new purpose; trading in your mission rings. Not just a bit either, 300k. That's a potential 30 HPBs off of the market.

When's the last time you, or someone you know, went and purposely farmed Bayld? There's so little point to it. Skirmish pieces are mostly in the gutter, though further updates to the system will rebound that for a time. The massive amount of pebbles, iron ore, and other random junk you'll receive do little to convince anyone to bother specifically farming Bayld.

The only saving grace to the whole system is Coalition Assignments, specifically, Courier runs to Kamihr Drifts #4. For 10 seconds of work, you can get 10k Bayld. Except, problem being, if you're going for your own Ergon, those tags are going towards getting Legend in all Coalitions. So you're relying on the rest of the server to get you this Bayld, turn it into HPBs, and in turn sell it to you. But what incentive do they have to do so? 20k? 30k? 50k? What price is worth throwing away a currency that very well may be used next update, the update after, 6 months from now, etc?

For some people, you couldn't name a price. When I was building mine, there was someone in my LS with well over 4 million Bayld. There was also a JP on my server paying 50k+ per HPB in order to finish his Epeo first. LS member never did sell (even to me), said he didn't want to risk being short for anything added. I think that's a mind set that a majority of people take, unless they need that gil right then and there for another project and they're willing to part with what they have available. Outside of that? Farming Bayld isn't lucrative enough for someone to specifically farm it. I'd argue that without botting Reives being a real thing, there wouldn't be enough of a supply in the game to create Ergons. AFAIK, Bahamut still only has 3, two Epeos and an Idris, and that's what, 7ish months after they were added?

Kinda went on a tangent, but really, they're fairly similar if you compare them to when they were current content. You couldn't solo a Mythic then, and you can't solo an Ergon now. Ergon needs more time and money, Mythic requires more completion of a variety of content, that alone doesn't make one easier than the other. I'd argue supply is making Ergons far harder though.

Change it however SE sees fit, I got mine, so I couldn't care less. :3 No ill thoughts harbored over a reduction in cost or anything, the game progresses and moves on. Be pretty boring if it didn't