How can SE make the Redmage frontline job?

[Kuroganashi]

RDM can do Front line as long as they don't "SUCK"

in other words............. Keep PT Alive (HEAL) , ENFEEBLE enemy , Buff PT , Dispell enemy , Nuke Enemy.

Keep all those up + DD

I myself and several other RDM in my LS manage to do that (you won't have a SINGLE Second to Rest , however that is what RDM is all about........ ^^ Have fun)

[Dale]

RDM can do Front line as long as they don't "SUCK"

in other words............. Keep PT Alive (HEAL) , ENFEEBLE enemy , Buff PT , Dispell enemy , Nuke Enemy.

Keep all those up + DD

I myself and several other RDM in my LS manage to do that (you won't have a SINGLE Second to Rest , however that is what RDM is all about........ ^^ Have fun)

I guess it depends what you mean when you say front line. If you mean that to be tanking - then I think that complicates our ability to use all our resources. But I do think we can make decent make-shift tanks.

If you mean it to say melee then I concur. I think the job already has all the tools it needs to melee and function as an effective support job at the same time. So I think SE has done a really good job at re-tooling this class into being an actual fighter/mage.

[Kuroganashi]

I guess it depends what you mean when you say front line. If you mean that to be tanking - then I think that complicates our ability to use all our resources. But I do think we can make decent make-shift tanks.

If you mean it to say melee then I concur. I think the job already has all the tools it needs to melee and function as an effective support job at the same time. So I think SE has done a really good job at re-tooling this class into being an actual fighter/mage.

I see way too many noob RDM that want to DD and end up never healing or doing their proper job, I don't have a problem with a RDM in Front Line, however I expect them to do their job 100% that is all I am saying.

SEI made RDM Tough enough they can solo NMs and even Survive some of the 119 shit

I seen a RDM Tank Delve BOSS np !

I seen RDM Tank Unity NM also w/o dying or losing any major HP !

I seen a RDM Do shit that ppl would go WILD if they could (I.E. solo VW Shit , Unity , Delve NMs)

it is all about how you play it. and how much you are used to it.

I personally use Shield / Sword

But I been seeing RDM/DNC trying to do shit and fail...... wonder why. :P

[Dale]

I see way too many noob RDM that want to DD and end up never healing or doing their proper job, I don't have a problem with a RDM in Front Line, however I expect them to do their job 100% that is all I am saying.

SEI made RDM Tough enough they can solo NMs and even Survive some of the 119 shit

I seen a RDM Tank Delve BOSS np !

I seen RDM Tank Unity NM also w/o dying or losing any major HP !

I seen a RDM Do shit that ppl would go WILD if they could (I.E. solo VW Shit , Unity , Delve NMs)

it is all about how you play it. and how much you are used to it.

I personally use Shield / Sword

But I been seeing RDM/DNC trying to do shit and fail...... wonder why. :P

Yeah I don't disagree with you. They can accomplish just about any role they want and the job itself has amazing potential and versatility.

I was just trying to point out that it can be difficult to be both tank and support. That's hard to pull off. But we can easily slide into the melee/support role. I think that's where we shine brightest.

[Protey]

RDM can do Front line as long as they don't "SUCK"

in other words............. Keep PT Alive (HEAL) , ENFEEBLE enemy , Buff PT , Dispell enemy , Nuke Enemy.

Keep all those up + DD

I myself and several other RDM in my LS manage to do that (you won't have a SINGLE Second to Rest , however that is what RDM is all about........ ^^ Have fun)

I disagree with the curing the party part. Assist cure, yes that I would agree with. Main heal? no way, not unless it is designated before hand, and then you aren't going to be meleeing because you're going to have to be in refresh gear and have ballads or some other kind of mp recovery buffs over melee buffs. Obviously if the whm dies, then yes you would take over as main healer, but then you stop meleeing at that point too. It's the same with being backup tank. you stop doing other things to hold the NM while the PLD recovers. This requires that others have a bit of sense though. They need to stop hitting the mob as RDM doesn't have much in the way of hate gaining tools. When in this situation, I would have the WHM stop curing the DDs and the DDs stop hitting. I would cure the DDs until I have hate. Then I turtle up and wait for the PLD to recover.

Also, if you're meleeing, why would you be nuking? I can understand on Laevvid to cast a water nuke every 1000 TP to make it take melee damage, but other than that why would you nuke when meleeing? By definition you can't do them at the same time.

[Demonjustin]

I disagree with the curing the party part.

Also, if you're meleeing, why would you be nuking?

You took the words right outta my mouth. The rest we can cover, but those two are kinda impossible to do while on the front lines, the latter is really more an "either or" rather than an "as well as".

[Dale]

You took the words right outta my mouth. The rest we can cover, but those two are kinda impossible to do while on the front lines, the latter is really more an "either or" rather than an "as well as".

It's not that hard to melee then switch into nuke gear to magic burst off a skill chain for example - which I think is in sync with the job's design. So I don't understand why you don't think Red Mage can nuke while on the front lines. Why can't they?

Even the Red Mage specific sword in Port Jueno has magic damage on it. So I'd say SE intended for the Red Mage to mix it up with melee and elemental magic. Though I'll admit its effectiveness is pretty situational. But most things are.