[Dev1235] Job Adjustments

[Afania]

Oh but they are. When some one refuses to group with another based solely on the fact they cannot do as much damage as a Samurai for example: that is exactly what they are doing. As far as what you do on a personal level I don't know and don't need to know

So you complained that I put words in your mouth but you do the same? Refuse to group with another player has nothing to do with measuring that person's worth. I don't view an individual "worthless" if they play BST. Sometimes I'd invite them, sometimes I don't. If I choose not to, it's often because of other factors(and that involves 5 other person in the pt and how they have fun), that has nothing to do with how I view that person.

What I meant by "taking it to personal lv" is, you used the word "measure everyone's worth" instead of "measure every job's worth".

I really wish you wouldn't put things I never said into quotes as if I had.

"I want FFXI to become an ideal MMORPG where dmg doesn't matter"

I never said this. I said damage should not be the only thing that matters Yes - damage matters. But it's not the only thing that does.

I've never say anything about dmg being the only thing that matters either, it is you who continue to make it sound like that players in FFXI are full of super obsessive SAM only elitists with 0 grey area nor compromise.

If anything this isn't black and white, everyone also has a different threshold toward this issue. Not everyone is extremely super obsessive about dmg that they must have max output, at least I don't....or else I'd play SAM instead of BLU. That doesn't mean I can turn a blind eye and pretend I'm having fun if I see someone purposely make certain decisions without respecting 5 other pt member's opinion about fun. And that doesn't mean I won't try my best to do as much dmg as possible when I play BLU either.

Everyone has different goals when they do event, some wants to play their job in a certain way, or try a different setup, some wants to grind as much plasm per hour. If you want to play a job in a certain way, just pt with like minded player, and vice versa. And it is leader's responsibility to make sure everyone has similar goals and able to accept each other's goals in a team.

If you want to role play, you can't force someone else aiming for max plasm/hr to pt with you. You won't have fun with them pushing you for faster kill, and they won't have fun with someone slowing them down. In the end both sides won't have fun, you can't change that.

Thus, exclude others is completely legit. It's not because I look down toward someone so I choose to exclude them, I do that because the team and that person has different goals, and a team must have same goals to move forward....and have fun together.

[Dale]

So you complained that I put words in your mouth but you do the same? Refuse to group with another player has nothing to do with measuring that person's worth. I don't view an individual "worthless" if they play BST. Sometimes I'd invite them, sometimes I don't. If I choose not to, it's often because of other factors(and that involves 5 other person in the pt and how they have fun), that has nothing to do with how I view that person.

What I meant by "taking it to personal lv" is, you used the word "measure everyone's worth" instead of "measure every job's worth".
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Except that I didn't put any words in your mouth. Here is what I said:

When some one refuses to group with another based solely on the fact they cannot do as much damage as a Samurai for example: that is exactly what they are doing


I never said you did it. I said when some one. I did that on purpose to avoid this response too. But seems I still got it.

So once again you are trying to change what I said to make it sound like I was attacking you when I wasn't. It would help if you would just read what I actually say instead of allowing it to incite different implications.

[Afania]

When some one refuses to group with another based solely on the fact they cannot do as much damage as a Samurai for example: that is exactly what they are doing


I never said you did it. I said when some one. I did that on purpose to avoid this response too. But seems I still got it.

So once again you are trying to change what I said to make it sound like I was attacking you when I wasn't. It would help if you would just read what I actually say instead of allowing it to incite different implications

When I said "personal lv" I wasn't implying you're personal attacking me, I was talking about how you think obsessive players measure other players as a person just because of their dmg.

This is your original quote:

I said this would be a better game without these obsessive players who think everyone's worth must be measure in terms of damage per second.

IMO, yes it's a pretty aggressive statement.

[Dale]

IMO, yes it's a pretty aggressive statement.

Yes, it was an aggressive statement. However it was not aimed at you now was it?

It was aimed precisely at those obsessive players who think everyone's worth must be measured in terms of damage per second. I should also point out that post wasn't even directed at one of your posts either. It was toward a whole different poster.

You are acting like someone who has a guilty conscious or something. Because you keep thinking all of my posts are talking about your own personal feelings. I wonder why that is.

And of course when I say someone's worth it is meant in the context of the game and their perceived value as a party member.