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[Karbuncle]

Yah, Can clear more Delve II with like, 5-6 people lol x.x;

So its 20mil between 5-6, which is actually a decent penny.

[FrankReynolds]

Yah, Can clear more Delve II with like, 5-6 people lol x.x;

So its 20mil between 5-6, which is actually a decent penny.

People were doing it with 5-6 people before the nerf (Disclaimer: wasn't playing when delve 2 came out)? From what I understood, that wasn't until they nerfed the HP of the mobs.

[Afania]

People were doing it with 5-6 people before the nerf (Disclaimer: wasn't playing when delve 2 came out)? From what I understood, that wasn't until they nerfed the HP of the mobs.

Delve2 was done with 6 man pt.......

Also if you 3 box 3 characters you only split 15M~20M with 2 ppl, that's like 10M+ in 30 min of work. Or play more than 3 char and get gil all by yourself. Before you make an effort to emphasis how smart you are, maybe do a little research when you want to counter other's argument.

Mythic also isn't ein/assault only, there's gil grind as well.

[FrankReynolds]

Delve2 was done with 6 man pt.......

Also if you 3 box 3 characters you only split 15M~20M with 2 ppl, that's like 10M+ in 30 min of work. Or play more than 3 char and get gil all by yourself. Before you make an effort to emphasis how smart you are, maybe do a little research when you want to counter other's argument.

Mythic also isn't ein/assault only, there's gil grind as well.

Yeah, I'm sure that shouting in town for buyers and leveling / gearing the other 2 characters takes no time at all. Even with 6 people it's not as great as you make it out to be and it definitely doesn't sound fun. I'm sure everything in the game would be easy if we just 18 boxed it all.

Still can't accelerate the einherjar / assault stages though and that was the topic of discussion. Not how to make gil. If it were just a matter of buying alex, we wouldn't even be talking about this would we?

[Afania]

Yeah, I'm sure that shouting in town for buyers and leveling / gearing the other 2 characters takes no time at all. Even with 6 people it's not as great as you make it out to be and it definitely doesn't sound fun. I'm sure everything in the game would be easy if we just 18 boxed it all.

Still can't accelerate the einherjar / assault stages though and that was the topic of discussion. Not how to make gil. If it were just a matter of buying alex, we wouldn't even be talking about this would we?

Some ppl have multiple char before delve exist already.

Also not sure why'd you bring "This isn't fun, that isn't fun" in mythic discussion over and over again. Fun is subjective, therefore it's not relevant in a discussion like this.

Or else I can just go "Delve isn't fun, let's get rid of delve", "job change isn't fun, let's get rid of job change system", or "playing 1 character isn't fun because it's more fun to play 3 char at once".....if we want to use subjective POV like "fun" as an argument, then argument won't go anywhere.

I think building a mythic is fun, if you change the requirement it won't be fun anymore, duh.

[FrankReynolds]

Some ppl have multiple char before delve exist already.

Also not sure why'd you bring "This isn't fun, that isn't fun" in mythic discussion over and over again. Fun is subjective, therefore it's not relevant in a discussion like this.

Or else I can just go "Delve isn't fun, let's get rid of delve", "job change isn't fun, let's get rid of job change system", or "playing 1 character isn't fun because it's more fun to play 3 char at once".....if we want to use subjective POV like "fun" as an argument, then argument won't go anywhere.

I think building a mythic is fun, if you change the requirement it won't be fun anymore, duh.

Except that I'm talking about changing the requirements, not the content. The content would be just as "Fun" as it was before the change.

[detlef]

Except that I'm talking about changing the requirements, not the content. The content would be just as "Fun" as it was before the change.

So are you talking about changing the requirements or are you about QoL improvements?

That's what I mean. I'm not saying they should cut it to 1,000 alex and a win each in nyzul/einherjar. I'm just saying that the event needs QoL changes. Double Ichor days would be nice. They wouldn't suddenly make building a mythic into a one day affair. But they're nice for the guy who is already doing it. Allowing people to solo Nyzul / einherjar isn't going to allow a guy to build his weapon twice as fast. It just cuts down the chatlog spam and wasted time. The guy is still going once per day. But now, he's not bugging everyone about it. Those sort of things don't make the quest so easy that everyone will do it, they just make is less horrible so that a few more people will do it. Small changes make a world of difference.

And while were on the subject of QOL, isn't it high time that they did away with the inventory clogging and just made zeni accumulate every time you took a picture like cruor/plasm/exp does when you kill a mob? Do we really need the inventory clogging convoluted system of trading in actual items for points? Even with all these new bags, holding all that stuff is annoying and unnecessary. The item pics used for pankration should be a separate device / system entirely.

I agree that they can adjust a few things to make the process a little less grindy but the requirements are fine as they are, notwithstanding the Alexandrite supply drying up quite a bit. That market will stabilize as more people start farming Salvage for gil again.

[Afania]

Except that I'm talking about changing the requirements, not the content. The content would be just as "Fun" as it was before the change.

Except fun is subjective, so your argument is invalid cuz it's your opinion about what's fun for you.

So yes, change the requirement isn't fun for me, nor anyone not having the same POV as you.

Personally, I don't find "doing the content" in FFXI fun at all. No matter what you do, delve2, einherjar, higher lv BC, all you ever do is engage TP WS repeat. There aren't much variation toward how you control your character.

Further more, there are no real difficulty exist in this game.....I don't have an issue playing my character and let it function properly, but whether you can clear the content or not completely depend on who you play with.......so far I've yet to experience any SoA content that's very, very hard with right pt setup/ppl.

IMO, fun in FFXI came from spending a long time work toward a goal and finally finish the goal. I don't have fun doing easy content for 3hr, spam TP and WS repeatly for so-so reward. I have more fun doing easy content for months and years, spam TP and WS repeatly for the best weapon in this game. It doesn't matter if I'm fighting Ein mobs or Yorcia NM, all I ever do is engage click TP macro click WS macro, I see no difference in them.

IMO fun doesn't just came from the reward, but also the time and effort you've spent on that reward, they came together. If SE deliver 20 mythics and 2 ergon to my inbox, I sure wouldn't feel as happy as building one myself.

I have fun spending months and years toward a goal and get them, and I believe it's human nature to feel that way in game or irl.

If your opinion toward fun is "gimme stuff and that's fun" then I have nothing to say, it's your opinion toward fun but not mine, and I wouldn't change my opinion toward fun as well.

That being said, at least I've respected your definition of fun. It seems that all you ever do in this forum is downplay anyone's opinion that's different from yours by labeling them into something else and make your subjective opinion legit, in reality it's not.