"THe Development Team Does Not Currently Have Plans Too..."

[Demonjustin]

Asking dev to implement some short term instant gratification in this game is fine.

Asking dev to implement some short term instant gratification then started a forum thread demanding a proper reply including "why" and "when" is asking too much.

.....Hello SE! I'd like an ergon weapon deliver to my inbox so I can be super happy for next 1 month, if you guys are not planning on it please explain why it breaks the game and what's your next plan to keep me happy, thanks!

I don't even understand why I feel like I need to explain that your example is misrepresenting the suggestion being made...

[Glamdring]

Asking dev to implement some short term instant gratification in this game is fine.

Asking dev to implement some short term instant gratification then started a forum thread demanding a proper reply including "why" and "when" is asking too much.

.....Hello SE! I'd like an ergon weapon deliver to my inbox so I can be super happy for next 1 month, if you guys are not planning on it please explain why it breaks the game and what's your next plan to keep me happy, thanks!

CLEARLY you have me confused with someone else if you think I have ever advocated easy-mode and stuff being handed you on a silver platter, the closest I’ve come is a request for more Vw and NM pops in abby, especially for the 2 empy items actually still required for end-game, but since I was asking for that bottleneck to be eased while Abby was still the main playsystem I’d hardly consider that an “easy-mode” request, actually my point is that I’m here to beat the game, not the other players after the same drop I am. If anything, I’m the guy COMPLAINING about easy-mode usually. I did approve-and still advocate-other methods for end-game gear acquisition for those who cannot be on enough for a legitimate shot at an HNMLS-type shell, but NOT easy-mode, more like a LONG grind to be able to purchase. I also thumbed up a request for easing pop requirements for abby based on everyone being able to solo, but not proc, mobs that drop the pop or KI because there simply aren't the people interested in coming just to proc for you.


What I have been a major advocate for is relevance, while balanced. In other words, I’m the guy always advocating for the guy saying “hi, my name is Bob and I’m an alcoholic”… wait, correction “hi, my name is Bob and I’m a Black Mage. I’d like to be YOUR black mage in your upcoming Alluvion Skirmish! Please, love me?!” as opposed to the guy answering him with “monk, ranger or GTFO” whom I would cheerfully invite someone like Anonymous to make a playground of their account. I’m advocating for all jobs to be of approximately equal strength in terms of their contribution to a party, not DPS, but a rdm healing, buffing, debuffing and the occasional damage should be just as valuable as a bard to an end-game party, a beast and pet should be just as valuable as a monk, etc.


So, when players are having real, rational discussions in these forums about identifying the issues and brainstorming possible solutions I think it only appropriate that SE join the discussions, but it seems either they can’t or they won’t, and I’m leaning toward the second based on the “answer” when they finally do decide to grace us with a response, because based on the nature of most of these denial replies I’m hearing a lot of “let them eat cake”. I use that term because when I see the eventual denial I want to give them the same close shave Marie Antoinette got, you know, the one that started at her neck. It's disheartening to players who have come to love this game but being victimized by a clearly identifiable shortcoming to have their issues apparently cavalierly dismissed out of hand.

[Afania]

I don't even understand why I feel like I need to explain that your example is misrepresenting the suggestion being made...

CLEARLY you have me confused with someone else if you think I have ever advocated easy-mode

This is the thread that caused the community complained about all that "we have no plans" reply:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...t=double+ichor

I know it wasn't you who posted this, but OP made this thread after this request. I was just explaining why you guys asked too much if you demand SE to reply everything.

[Malithar]

I dunno why you quoted me, but yes. lol Although tbh I don't think they really read/listen to the complaints about jobs, or Bst and Pup would be the most amazing jobs ever. They may take some things into account, but QQ about job representation falls on deaf ears I'd imagine.

[Glamdring]

I'm still seeing plenty of rng shouts on ragnarok. AA are still done and frankly a rng can contribute in almost anything, especially with a brd or rdm, or as I did last night, brd/rdm. Prelude + Flurry=lots of ballistic damage.

[Xerius]

I dunno why you quoted me, but yes. lol Although tbh I don't think they really read/listen to the complaints about jobs, or Bst and Pup would be the most amazing jobs ever. They may take some things into account, but QQ about job representation falls on deaf ears I'd imagine.

There's QQing and then there is having an actual reason to complain and obviously (I feel like I'm forced to reiterate this every other post) no one is expecting them to implement all or even most of our suggestions but jobs like BLM, SMN and THF have an actual gripe when it seems that the development team can't make up their minds on what they're supposed to do exactly and instead of addressing this they buff jobs that aren't even lacking.

[Malithar]

There's QQing and then there is having an actual reason to complain and obviously (I feel like I'm forced to reiterate this every other post) no one is expecting them to implement all or even most of our suggestions but jobs like BLM, SMN and THF have an actual gripe when it seems that the development team can't make up their minds on what they're supposed to do exactly and instead of addressing this they buff jobs that aren't even lacking.

You mean like the post where you said "it wasn't enough" in reference to Drg's buff, when you had absolutely no idea what/how they were buffed? Posts like that are the one's I hope devs just ignore to be frank.

What's wrong with Thf now? What's wrong with Blm now? Both have their niches and are capable jobs. Are they omgamazing top notch DDs? No. Should they be? No. A good Thf is in that range of 60-80%ish of a good DD, that's fine IMO. Give up a lil DD for better drops, and in most content as of late (Revamped BCs, Incursion, Aluvion Skirmish) TH does indeed help. Won't even touch the utility a Blm brings, never mind that it's the best DD-ish job capable of DDing with Sam without hampering it's DPS by interrupting SCs. A good Smn is plenty capable of being of value to a party, not every party, and it's not optimal, but being of value is enough in today's content.

[Afania]

You mean like the post where you said "it wasn't enough" in reference to Drg's buff, when you had absolutely no idea what/how they were buffed? Posts like that are the one's I hope devs just ignore to be frank.

What's wrong with Thf now? What's wrong with Blm now? Both have their niches and are capable jobs. Are they omgamazing top notch DDs? No. Should they be? No. A good Thf is in that range of 60-80%ish of a good DD, that's fine IMO. Give up a lil DD for better drops, and in most content as of late (Revamped BCs, Incursion, Aluvion Skirmish) TH does indeed help. Won't even touch the utility a Blm brings, never mind that it's the best DD-ish job capable of DDing with Sam without hampering it's DPS by interrupting SCs. A good Smn is plenty capable of being of value to a party, not every party, and it's not optimal, but being of value is enough in today's content.

Ppl also use SMN in WoE a lot btw.

[Xerius]

You mean like the post where you said "it wasn't enough" in reference to Drg's buff, when you had absolutely no idea what/how they were buffed? Posts like that are the one's I hope devs just ignore to be frank.

I was wrong about this and I'll admit that I was wrong about this, but throwing in a cheap jab like this in order to try to discredit me as though everything else I said is without some merit, that's just slimy and doesn't help the discussion at all. If you think the game is in a perfect state of balance you're dead wrong, if you think that the unbalance in the game is okay you're probably one of the people that doesn't have trouble getting into parties. Given how proud of your GEO and Ergon weapon you are I'd wager you're in a pretty dedicated LS and probably don't even have to worry about PUGs.

What's wrong with Thf now? What's wrong with Blm now? Both have their niches and are capable jobs. Are they omgamazing top notch DDs? No. Should they be? No. A good Thf is in that range of 60-80%ish of a good DD, that's fine IMO. Give up a lil DD for better drops, and in most content as of late (Revamped BCs, Incursion, Aluvion Skirmish) TH does indeed help. Won't even touch the utility a Blm brings, never mind that it's the best DD-ish job capable of DDing with Sam without hampering it's DPS by interrupting SCs. A good Smn is plenty capable of being of value to a party, not every party, and it's not optimal, but being of value is enough in today's content.

I don't know where you're getting this idea that BLMs can give SAMs a run for their money. BLM has its niches on content that have many mobs weak to magic, BLM isn't a DDish job it's supposed to be a DD job at least classically and it can't fulfill it's roll properly because of MP/DPS/Enmity issues. It can put out decent dps but I have no idea why you say they shouldn't be top-tier DPS. They should be the prime magic DPS in the game comparable to the best melee DD jobs because that's what they're meant to do.

[Afania]

I was wrong about this and I'll admit that I was wrong about this, but throwing in a cheap jab like this in order to try to discredit me as though everything else I said is without some merit, that's just slimy and doesn't help the discussion at all. If you think the game is in a perfect state of balance you're dead wrong, if you think that the unbalance in the game is okay you're probably one of the people that doesn't have trouble getting into parties. Given how proud of your GEO and Ergon weapon you are I'd wager you're in a pretty dedicated LS and probably don't even have to worry about PUGs.

I don't think you get the point, nobody is saying that the game is in perfect state of balance, it's just that if you want to present your opinion about job balance, do it based on analyze each job's strength and have a logical discussion about it, don't over state the gap between each jobs just because they're not in /shout, and dismiss other job's utility and unique strength because they're not in /shout.

It is fact that SAM is often in /shout and generally the strongest DD, but other jobs weren't THAT far behind. Just a few months ago we had a discussion about certain jobs suck in FFXI because lolutility, while ppl shit on jobs like BLU because.....lolutility.

I have outparsed at least 95% of PUG 119 SAM in incursion on BLU BECAUSE of utility(yes, self buff haste2 after dispel, aoe erase attack down and slow+ harden shell actually make you parse a lot higher than what spreadsheet says)

Mind you, my BLU isn't zomg amazing, it's mediocre at best. I don't even have 119 af nor many important spell/gear, I also haven't play it for very long time.

What more can I say? Asking BLU to do same lv of dmg as SAM when it can already outparse most SAM AND help the mages with support in incursion? You'll never see BLU in /shout, but I still think it's a solid job for what it does.

Now, on to your 2nd point: "Malithar must have a good LS accepting his GEO because he has an ergon weapon!" You're just making a point that's irrelevant to this discussion by bringing up his ergon weapon and making an assumption about it.

Having an ergon weapon isn't relevant to which LS you have, since it is possible to complete it without a LS. I don't know how you get the conclusion "Malithar must have a good LS because he has an ergon weapon".

Oh and btw, I /shout for GEO for delve/incursion all the time, so does most of other /shout on my server. I don't know how ergon weapon is relevant in this discussion since ppl use it without an ergon weapon.

Secondly, although it is possible that he has a good LS so he can get a pt invite, I don't agree that you should still discuss job balance based on what's in /shout.

There will always be ppl who play with LS and go with most optimal setup, and there will always be ppl who has no LS and couldn't get invite. This game isn't LS-less players only.

If the job balance is based on ls-less players, then SE would buff certain "harder to play but still good" jobs like GEO or BLU to a point that's truly OP to get them in /shout.

So the elite LS would just use those OP jobs and clear the content faster than everyone else, resulting more job balance issue.

/shout pt will always /shout for the easiest to play jobs, instead of the best jobs. "I don't get invite on X job" certainly isn't a legit argument when we talk about job balance because that's balance based on your own experience, not as a whole.

Personally, although I know certain job isn't as bad as what others said, I don't /shout for them as well. I know if I /shout for a BLU or COR in incursion I'm gonna get someone wearing mage gears and parse low. That doesn't mean the job is bad though.