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  1. #51
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    Yea Aeron; that is all i was saying basically, an ease of requirements would equate to more willing ppl.

    Making a REM occupies time; heck, some LS were strictly dedicated to building emps during the abyssea era^^ In a way; the majority of their playtime was focused on helping members build emps. I was in a few of those shells and emps were like an everyday/night kind of thing. Most people spend a majority of their time building a endgame weapon, I mean, the funds have to come from somewhere, right? Some may use dyna currency to fund mythics or spend days or weeks shouting/selling delve win runs. in essence; the majority of their playtime may carter to building a mythic. Salvage, NI, einherjar, funding, etc; that is alot of playtime dedicated to a weapon. If you built a REM, in essence, you payed to play for it among other activities. More players would make a mythic if requirements were eased, even new players would return to do something they never accomplished. The chance of owning a mythic may inspire ppl to play. Some players have an affinity towards REM as they do certain jobs. I only payed to play my bst or ninja; why when there are a ton of other jobs? Well, those are just the jobs I like^^ I can only speak for myself, but if the requirements were eased, i may return, just to play with a mythic. A mythic unlocks new-found powers to certain jobs, hence it may inspire me to try jobs other than nin or bst (Can afford one, but the other requirements are pretty "Eh")

    Weapons mean everything; look at the shouts, REM have become a requirement of sorts. So yes, you pay to play for a REM, otherwise, those shouts to play content would not include specific weapon types. Some may not be interested in XI without the ultimate weapons. You see the $hit storm that new brd instrument caused, REM owners truly value these weapons. They payed to play for it so they will have an edge; not to mention they are shouted for in endgame events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeron View Post
    In no way do I agree either that a mythic should be a requirement to join a standard PUG, if however that PUG is shouting for specific gear for say VD content then yes that perfectly reasonable.

    If every SAM from PUG owns a Koga, then it'd be a requirement/standard to PUG.

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    Don't worry. They can still spend the rest of their lives getting afterglow.

    You are ignoring the fact that mythics already exist. There is minimal effort required to change to quest requirements and or drop rates. This isn't an either or case. They change drop rates all the
    So afterglow sucks but you think it's ok, mythic sucks but you think it's not ok? Double standard.

    You're also ignoring the fact that making mythics easier to obtain doesn't extend the life of this game, while it still needs time to adjust. Whoever's currently building one(the ones that's done with every other goals in this game) would just finish one sooner and quit. Whoever that's not hardcore enough to run out of things to do still get stuff to do regardless mythic being easy or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoW View Post
    Yea Aeron; that is all i was saying basically, an ease of requirements would equate to more willing ppl.

    Making a REM occupies time; heck, some LS were strictly dedicated to building emps during the abyssea era^^ In a way; the majority of their playtime was focused on helping members build emps. I was in a few of those shells and emps were like an everyday/night kind of thing. Most people spend a majority of their time building a endgame weapon, I mean, the funds have to come from somewhere, right? Some may use dyna currency to fund mythics or spend days or weeks shouting/selling delve win runs. in essence; the majority of their playtime may carter to building a mythic. Salvage, NI, einherjar, funding, etc; that is alot of playtime dedicated to a weapon. If you built a REM, in essence, you payed to play for it among other activities. More players would make a mythic if requirements were eased, even new players would return to do something they never accomplished. The chance of owning a mythic may inspire ppl to play. Some players have an affinity towards REM as they do certain jobs. I only payed to play my bst or ninja; why when there are a ton of other jobs? Well, those are just the jobs I like^^ I can only speak for myself, but if the requirements were eased, i may return, just to play with a mythic. A mythic unlocks new-found powers to certain jobs, hence it may inspire me to try jobs other than nin or bst (Can afford one, but the other requirements are pretty "Eh")

    Weapons mean everything; look at the shouts, REM have become a requirement of sorts. So yes, you pay to play for a REM, otherwise, those shouts to play content would not include specific weapon types. Some may not be interested in XI without the ultimate weapons. You see the $hit storm that new brd instrument caused, REM owners truly value these weapons. They payed to play for it some they will have an edge; not to mention they are shouted for in endgame events.
    Nah, I think the current mythic requirement is just fine. If you want easier/cheaper RME build a relic. If you want even easier/cheaper weapon use delve weapon. Can't have mythic being equally time consuming as relic or other 119.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    Don't worry. They can still spend the rest of their lives getting afterglow.



    You are ignoring the fact that mythics already exist. There is minimal effort required to change to quest requirements and or drop rates. This isn't an either or case. They change drop rates all the time without having to delay new content over it.

    This world where they have to ignore everything else for the foreseeable future in order to make 2 alex purses drop instead of one does not exist.

    Who knows, maybe they can build some new weapon that takes 10 years to create because that one guy who can do it might quit if they don't.
    Don't even bother, lol.

    I know what Afania is all about from past threads, hence I do not bother responding to him/her anymore, lol.
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    Frankly it would be better for everyone if mythics were less ridiculous to get. I still wouldn't get one, but if it even increased the number of people getting them by 5% it would invigorate Alex market. You can tell very few people are building them because the cost of Alex is so low.
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    REM esp Mythic & Empyrean weapons are very very very time consuming, and also $$$ to make.
    Relics.... well with the way things are you can easily farm 300~400 currency a day in dream land dyna, which with selling/buying/trading with other players you can have a relic built in less than a month. Then it is just more of the same to get the money for Marrows, and the plutons and boom you have an awesome 119 weapon which is the first step in becoming a "master" of your job.
    Mythic have a baseline from scratch of at least 130 days. The limiting factor being the 1 tag per day you get for Assault/Nyzul. Start at 0 assaults done that is 51 days to get captain and another 50 days to do them all over again. If you can climb nyzul at an average of 15 floors a run that is at least an additional 6 tags as long as you did at least 15 floors the first time you did it for Captain. Now lets say you averaged 5k tokens each run of Nyzul so for the 150 tokens you need to run Nyzul a total of 30 times sense you have ran it 7 times already that leaves an additional 23 time.
    While you are running assaults you also need to fun Einhjar at least 53 time if you spam t3 netting just shy of 2k ichor yea need 100k, plus farm Zeni and acquire the three t4 items needed for PW (but you don't actually turn them in for PW you keep them for the mythic weapon fight), and you will need to do all four salvage remnants, beat Odin, kill the beastmen leaders, oh yea and get that 30,000 alexandrite. So really for the first Mythic 130 days is very conservative and if anyone ever did it in that amount of time I would tip my hat to them for sure. Now to 99 that mythic you have to do a T4 ZNM x5 plus PW at least twice (three times if unlucky). So factor all that in to that single weapon. It is no surprise almost everyone I know of that has made a mythic has take a long break immediately after lol

    Empys = lots of farming & lots of money for HMPs due to their horrid drop rate, and needing 1500 of them which is about 1250 more then what it should be imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    If every SAM from PUG owns a Koga, then it'd be a requirement/standard to PUG.
    If they started giving out kogas for a million gil tomorrow, people would still take a JSE or Tsurumaru sam to w/e content without batting an eye as long as the rest of their gear was up to par.

    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    So afterglow sucks but you think it's ok, mythic sucks but you think it's not ok? Double standard.
    Not really. But you said you wanted something dumb to waste a few billion gil on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
    You're also ignoring the fact that making mythics easier to obtain doesn't extend the life of this game, while it still needs time to adjust. Whoever's currently building one(the ones that's done with every other goals in this game) would just finish one sooner and quit. Whoever that's not hardcore enough to run out of things to do still get stuff to do regardless mythic being easy or not.
    I have a bunch of mythic owners and multiple mythic owners in my shell. I don't know anyone who would quit if they could have more. For every guy who says he would quit if his mugeleis were too easy to obtain, there's another 10 guys who say they would build 5 more if it didn't suck so much.
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    If every SAM had a koga we wouldn't be having a discussion about mythic requirements would we?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Olor View Post
    Frankly it would be better for everyone if mythics were less ridiculous to get. I still wouldn't get one, but if it even increased the number of people getting them by 5% it would invigorate Alex market. You can tell very few people are building them because the cost of Alex is so low.
    This is so untrue. Tons and tons of people are making Mythics now. Do you see how many people shout for Einherjar on a daily basis compared to before? The reason you see so much alex is because many, many people farm Salvage for gil.
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    I have at least 3 more Mythics to build after I am done with the one I am working on now (25 days and counting, come on assault tags!!!), and if they were easier I would endeavor to make them all .. why? Because I want it all... I am a completest, I must work to have all the things. . . at least endgame things LoL
    Still waiting for that second set of arms to grow so can wield two staves (Relic and Mythic) on blm .-.
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