A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

[Demonjustin]

It'd be nice if they just gave all pets natural -DT like they do with Loupans which have a natural -50% now. I wouldn't say all pets need a natural -50% but 30% would be good I think at making it easier to keep them up.

[Leonardus]

Bst will never replace nin, pld, or even run as a tank, hence should stick to being a dd. Ppl do not invite us to tank, plds and nins have better tools for it. I doubt our pets can hold hate off a REM dd. I think the hybrid niche is the problem, we can do multiple things decently, but we are particularly good at nothing, hence why ppl would rather invite a mnk to dd or a pld/nin to tank.

No WoW, we are not going to replace a pld, or a run. You can co-tank, however, on the hard stuff. You're like a DRG with Super Jump every 30 seconds, it has its uses.

And no, BST is not all about the pet. Put more than one point into Killer Instinct and give everyone a boost. Procure the strongest weapons and do the best you can. Yeah, we need help on the high-end. I really wouldn't mind a scorpion. But also keep in mind that BST jugs are specially-tuned. Just because a ram in the wild seems strong, doesn't mean a jug version would suddenly blow everything that currently exists away. I think you're setting yourself up for future disappointment if you think calling a mini-behemoth will transform us (It would look cool, though!).

[WoW]

No WoW, we are not going to replace a pld, or a run. You can co-tank, however, on the hard stuff. You're like a DRG with Super Jump every 30 seconds, it has its uses.

And no, BST is not all about the pet. Put more than one point into Killer Instinct and give everyone a boost. Procure the strongest weapons and do the best you can. Yeah, we need help on the high-end. I really wouldn't mind a scorpion. But also keep in mind that BST jugs are specially-tuned. Just because a ram in the wild seems strong, doesn't mean a jug version would suddenly blow everything that currently exists away. I think you're setting yourself up for future disappointment if you think calling a mini-behemoth will transform us (It would look cool, though!).

Then what is this thread about?

You say, just because a ram is strong in the wild does not mean the jug version would blow everything in existence away? I beg to differ; our last sheep-ish jug had a berserk ability and lamp-chop; was by far the best dd pet at that time (Until the cap). So you are saying a pet with zerk and a powerful ready move would not out-dd any of our current pets? Hmmmmm.

Are you assuming that the scorpion would not have death scissors and sharp strike? Are you assuming the opo-opo will not have viscous claw? If that is the case sure, I agree with you. However, if you are ok with that/getting sub-par dd pets and being a co-tank, you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Bst is not a tank and bst is all about the pet otherwise get a bigger axe if you know what I am saying.......

Also, you are implying that I only want certain pets because they look cool? Nah, that boar is by far the coolest pet, appearance wise, but pretty crappy overall and I was just pointing out a comment made by a dev in the thread.

[Louispv]

I can't tell if you were being serious about Skirmish, It's easy to do on BST. Delve however I'm not retarded enough to bother with that on BST since it's just easier to do on MNK COR or BRD. AAs I've done on BST multiple times outside of the Elvaan in groups.

The jug pets are fine like I said & now that we even have food which buff the pet's accuracy and attack even more, it's easier then ever.

Not even close to being the most exspensive in the game. Ranger alone is a job where you shoot money to do damage.

I dunno what game you're playing, but even with all the pet acc gear in the game and Shiromochi, Ibuki doesn't even have capped accuracy on Very Easy mode. On Easy she's already down to 70%ish accuracy, and on Normal she has maybe 50%, and that's while absolutely crippling your own damage with pet gear. There's no point in even calling a pet above normal, it'll be taking several thousand damage per AoE and never land a hit. And that's Ibuki only, too since she receives a 50% accuracy bonus, the other pets don't even have useful accuracy in Very Easy. (Then again they also don't have the evasion or halved slashing damage either, so they would die too quickly to be useful even if they did)

My 115 avatars have an easier time soloing Very Easy than my 119 Jug pets, since merit bloodpacts can't miss, and Soloing Very Easy's the only thing you'd even use BST for.

And you apparently haven't played RNG in like 6 years, the job is entirely free. Every RNG in my LS bought a single stack of ammo when they got access to T-rex or Shark bullets, and they've still got 90+ of those bullets left today, because you only actually lose ammo 1-2 at a time when you forgot to use scavenge before zoning. Capped Recycle has existed and been damn easy to get for years.

On the other hand BST loses 40k gil or 2000 plasm every single time they call a pet, spend 4k every time they use reward, 10k for every dawn mulsum, and can't get any of it back because you lose it every time you zone, the pet dies, or 2 hours elapse. (And Voidwatch still depops your pet every fight, why?) The entire economy of the game is R/E/M currency and BST pets/food, that's all crafting is anymore.

[Malithar]

And you apparently haven't played RNG in like 6 years, the job is entirely free. Every RNG in my LS bought a single stack of ammo when they got access to T-rex or Shark bullets, and they've still got 90+ of those bullets left today, because you only actually lose ammo 1-2 at a time when you forgot to use scavenge before zoning. Capped Recycle has existed and been damn easy to get for years.

Not a Rng myself, but when LS Rngs geared well enough for VD DM, low manned Ds, and constant Delve 2 farming say they lose 10-15 bullets total in a typical Delve or DM, I tend to believe them. Did your LS beat Shark yesterday?

[SNK]

I may have been wrong about the food; that combined with the plethora of pet acc gear for pet should be enough to hit decently on harder content (Just speculating and going by comments from other players).

I was the biggest detractor pertaining to bst buffs and food, however, I really sat down and pondered this issue. On weaker mobs, pets are not world beaters by any means, usually, endgame involves difficult mobs which our current pets struggle on.

Well it really comes down to how you gear not only your pet but yourself as well. To me Jug pets these days take a backseat to my damage, They're tanks for the most part of what I work with which is how I like it. I don't enjoy sitting on my ass and letting my pet do all the work while I just sit there and pop reward if shit goes south.

I am not going to tell you that your experiences were wrong (Who am I to say that? Really...), considering the amount of +acc jugs receive from gear. Also, this thread shows that some individuals did have success with the new food http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/43...mochi-effects/

I've toyed with the accuracy food in Skirmish III and I've seen some real positive results from Ibuki on 3/3/3 Runs. Mind you have I have 4 Points invested into Pet Accuracy from CPs but even then the new food really bridges the gap that jug pets suffer from higher content mob. It doesn't mean I'll be taking BST into Delve but, I'm content that I see my jugs pulling hate and surviving a lot better then I'd hoped they would.

Bst also has a pretty nasty merit ws.

This is very true. I capped this puppy to 5/5 and have put out some amazing #s for a hybrid DD job. No I'll never outparse a WAR MNK or SAM but I did get a chuckle out of me outparsing two RNGs vs AA Galka. Still trying to wrap my head around that sometimes, All I really did was DD that Galka and fall back everytime my shadow timers were down. I was doing on average 2.8k to 3.2k Ruinators on that mob in difficult.

However, I still feel that jug pets are merely naked mobs whom are not that special (Hence does not warrant an invite over a mnk, sam, war, or rng). However, I am going to be positive for once, imo, one thing that hinders bst dd wise is poor jug selection, but that is not gonna happen hence bst will stay were it is, second class job. I still believe the overall concept of the jug is flawed, but bst would be a bandwagon job if they added a scorpion, opo, wivre, or a ram jug (With all of there moves intact). Yea, I said it, bst a bandwagon job.

lol Well in a way BST is a bandwagon job but so many people play it so god awful that it's no wonder people don't invite BSTs to anything serious. The only reason I've gotten access to some end game content isn't because I have a 119 Guttler, it's because I don't fulltime Pet gear when it's not needed & I spent a ton of time on multiple gearsets for the job tho god only knows why. lol

I like the idea of Jug pets and honestly it originally to me was added because a BST being able to charm mobs in Abyessa would be too overpowering.

The key to taking bst to the next level is a careful implementation of jugs. It appears that the devs just throw any pet out there without considering what bst really is, a damage dealer. SE should always release the monsters with the most dd potential; if our next batch contains more of the same second tier dd pets, expect more of the same....

I think the thing SE is worried about is how overpowering that kind of jug would be for content that isn't end game. Not that it should matter but, I'm not the one playtesting this. The only thing I was slightly sad about was the Pet Treasure Hunter nerf but even then that's only minor.

I know you guys/gals are probably tired of me repeating this, but this is indeed a big problem; and if they finally release a dd pet, you guys/gals will see a dramatic difference. That is all I have to say really; I am tired of repeated the same stuff as you are hearing it. Gonna leave this thread until they release a true dd pet, no use repeating the same crap over and over.

For there to be a true DD pet it's gonna have to break a teir. tbh For a crap like Salvage and geartrains, I have a lot of fun cleaving the crap out of stuff with LuckyLulush. Clocking 6 to 8 gears at once in Salvage II for 900 to 2.8k each it pretty OP if you ask me. Anything that would be stronger then that would worry me because I'm sure it would get hit with the nerfbat pretty damn fast.

[SNK]

I dunno what game you're playing, but even with all the pet acc gear in the game and Shiromochi, Ibuki doesn't even have capped accuracy on Very Easy mode.

I don't know what to tell you then. I've havn't had any issues in Normal or Difficult to that extreme.

and Soloing Very Easy's the only thing you'd even use BST for.

Here's the thing, I'm not soloing those on BST. I'm doing it with other folks.

And you apparently haven't played RNG in like 6 years, the job is entirely free. Every RNG in my LS bought a single stack of ammo when they got access to T-rex or Shark bullets, and they've still got 90+ of those bullets left today, because you only actually lose ammo 1-2 at a time when you forgot to use scavenge before zoning. Capped Recycle has existed and been damn easy to get for years.

Let me rephrase it differently since shooting money probably isn't the way I should have worded it. To be a RNG or any job that constantly gets invited to AAs you have to at "least" spend 150 million gil or more to do those events on anything above normal. Yes I'm talking about relics and let's be honest, That's what most people want and will only invite to anything that just is a pain in the ass to do with lower teir gear.

On the other hand BST loses 40k gil or 2000 plasm every single time they call a pet, spend 4k every time they use reward, 10k for every dawn mulsum, and can't get any of it back because you lose it every time you zone, the pet dies, or 2 hours elapse.

See here's a problem that I don't have. I craft & farm most of the materials I need to substain my job so that saves me a ton of money alone. That 2k Plasm jug imo isn't worth it. There are better options with more bang for your buck. I would rather spend my plasm on gear or Airlixers then to buy that silly thing. Dawn Muslim I can't even recall the last time I used it or even needed it. Pet Food Theta works great and it's cheap and easy to farm. Also if you're solid enough in gear you should be able to get your reward timer down to under 45 seconds so in consideration if your pet is getting it's ass kicked that you're having to worry about when reward is going to be up then you probably are having a hard time with a mob you might not want to tangle with solo.

(And Voidwatch still depops your pet every fight, why?)

Pet Staggers in VW is stupid. I'll agree with you on saying that it was a dumb idea when you have so many other jobs that can stagger VW mobs without having to worry if your timers are up or not.

The entire economy of the game is R/E/M currency and BST pets/food, that's all crafting is anymore.

Well you have to adapt or get swept under the rug so to speak. I knew how busy this job would be and because I craft/farm almost all of my mats, I spend probably a lot less then most people do because I manage my time. Even with having a Guttler, I don't go nuts and spend cash like mad unless it's something I really would like to have but, I do admit sometimes I splurg once in awhile if it's a piece of gear I'd like to have. I finished full AF+1 and Relic +1 Reforge and while some pieces are a bit overkill imo, I love the job enough to go all the way with it.

I'm not going to say your opinion is wrong on the whole but I obviously play BST differently then you and it's paid off in spades for me to get access to higher end content.

[WoW]

I have not had any acc issues on lower tier modes neither, I solo MR on on VE; me and the pet are hitting pretty consistently.

So bst does fine acc wise on difficult? That is good to hear^^

[SNK]

I have not had any acc issues on lower tier modes neither, I solo MR on on VE; me and the pet are hitting pretty consistently.

So bst does fine acc wise on difficult? That is good to hear^^

Yeah as long as you have access to a bard like the other DDs and eat Sushi you shouldn't have any issues. Gear of course makes a difference as well. Since you'll be getting support like you're a mnk in some BCs, then worry about your own accuracy over the pet's. The new food helps in that retrospect.

[WoW]

you were telling Louis that your pet's never experienced such extreme instances of inaccuracy; and honestly; there is a ton of pet acc gear available, the delve axe has +28 and WKR axes have +30 acc on them, AF feet +10, Mittens +20, AF head +20 and food; so it is quite believable that pets would do fine on normal or difficult. Also, I have no problem using run wild and throwing out another pet when that one vanishes. Run wild grants a +25% bonus to accuracy iirc; that is a sizable amount considering the plethora of pet acc gear available.

Imo, putting run wild on a shorter timer would help bst out tremendously. Very underrated JA; I use when ever it is up (Unless I am soloing a boss and the pet vanishes XD). Run wild adjustment, Can I have it? Please?^^

Recast 6 minutes would be nice; I can deal with throwing out another pet, but that timer is "Ugh....." SE please adjust the timer of this move^^ Actually, I am going to ask this in the bst thread.