A Suggestion From The Pet Job Community: Stop Ignoring Us and Listen To Our Plea.

[Jinzha]

That is the point; you stated that bst are the minority; hence their opinions do not matter. I believe Krystal was referring to shutting down/brushing off individual's opinions by stating that they are the minority. For instance; i do not agree that buffing pets with attack and acc would overpower them; however, cures would = no pet food. I did not tune out Krystal's argument because ppl feel she is the minority.

The minority argument is sort of a cop-out; I believe you stated that bst were the minority. I will hear out anyone whom opinions differ from my own; I was even convinced that these buffs will not overpower pets based on the comments posted in this thread.

This is definitely a classic example of someone's words being twisted. If you haven't been paying attention, I have been advocating all pet classes getting boosts in all of my arguments. Honestly, I was not even using my reference of Krystal as a minority opinion as a reason for discrediting her opinion. What discredited her opinion was the fact that she gave no substantial evidence as to how our suggestion of allowing pets to be buffed and cured would lead to the games demise.

Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

I was only pointing out the fact that she's one of the few crazy people who are fine with how pet jobs are today, and that she most likely believes that because she doesn't play a pet job as her main class. On the other hand, the closest thing I had said to Beastmaster being a minority was that pet jobs are a minority as a whole in comparison to popular classes like Monk, Bard, Corsair, etc. which makes it difficult for pet jobs to get anything implemented in their favor.

Actually I find it a bit funny that you would say that the ultimate fallback in an effort to discredit one's opinion or stated fact is by calling it the minority's opinion. Pet jobs have been the minority class in Final Fantasy XI since their existence, and every time the pet job community attempts to voice their opinion, we're always shut down by the game developers because they fear upsetting the majority by disrupting the job class hierarchy.

I think you used some sort of transitive property after only reading the bolded part of my comment towards Krystal. You thought that if I used Krystal being a minority to void her opinion then I was basically doing the same to Beastmaster's opinions because they are also considered a minority. However when I said pet jobs have been considered the minority class, it was to point out that people have been using the minority argument to discredit pet jobs receiving any substantial revisions. It was also meant to point out the fact that Krystal is ironically siding with the majority that have been dismantling pet jobs' opinions using the argument that pet classes are only a minority of FFXI players.

Have to agree, otherwise ppl can say that about anything.

Your argument towards me is clearly foul play because no where had I stated, verbatim, that "Beastmasters are a minority" and that I agree that this also made their opinions invalid. I called Krystal the minority opinion because she is among the few people who actually believe that pet jobs are "Fine just the way they are" and it had nothing to do with Beastmaster. It's actually a little sad that you guys picked out the least monumental thing I had said in my argument against Krystal as a way to ironically discredit my opinion. I'm also surprised that you're siding with someone who is saying that they want to see Beastmaster stay the same, but you're entitled to your own opinions. Next time actually read my argument because what you just said I said was obviously not what I said.

[WoW]

I never said that Terri didn't have the right to post in this forum, I simply asked for her to take her biased opinions elsewhere. He or she has the right to say no if he or she pleases.



My opinions are just opinions. Nothing more. Anyone who reads what I have to say can decide for themselves if they agree with them or not, but I'm not holding a knife to anyone's throat and saying that my opinions are absolute. I respect everyone's opinion here, and I'm willing to reconsider my own if the person is convincing enough, but if people have the right to make half thought remarks that are clearly bias and made out to irritate everyone rather than give constructive input, then I also have the right to give my opinion, although in may be a bit blunt. Here is a clear example of why I do what I do:



I mean come on. Krystal is clearly insulting everyone by saying that we're the reason why the game is the way it is. People like this start the cat fight first, so I should have the right to return fire by calling him or her a dumb-ass.



Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

This is definitely a classic example of someone's words being twisted. If you haven't been paying attention, I have been advocating all pet classes getting boosts in all of my arguments. Honestly, I was not even using my reference of Krystal as a minority opinion as a reason for discrediting her opinion. What discredited her opinion was the fact that she gave no substantial evidence as to how our suggestion of allowing pets to be buffed and cured would lead to the games demise.




I was only pointing out the fact that she's one of the few crazy people who are fine with how pet jobs are today, and that she most likely believes that because she doesn't play a pet job as her main class. On the other hand, the closest thing I had said to Beastmaster being a minority was that pet jobs are a minority as a whole in comparison to popular classes like Monk, Bard, Corsair, etc. which makes it difficult for pet jobs to get anything implemented in their favor.



I think you used some sort of transitive property after only reading the bolded part of my comment towards Krystal. You thought that if I used Krystal being a minority to void her opinion then I was basically doing the same to Beastmaster's opinions because they are also considered a minority. However when I said pet jobs have been considered the minority class, it was to point out that people have been using the minority argument to discredit pet jobs receiving any substantial revisions. It was also meant to point out the fact that Krystal is ironically siding with the majority that have been dismantling pet jobs' opinions using the argument that pet classes are only a minority of FFXI players.



Your argument towards me is clearly foul play because no where had I stated, verbatim, that "Beastmasters are a minority" and that I agree that this also made their opinions invalid. I called Krystal the minority opinion because she is among the few people who actually believe that pet jobs are "Fine just the way they are" and it had nothing to do with Beastmaster. It's actually a little sad that you guys picked out the least monumental thing I had said in my argument against Krystal as a way to ironically discredit my opinion. I'm also surprised that you're siding with someone who is saying that they want to see Beastmaster stay the same, but you're entitled to your own opinions. Next time actually read my argument because what you just said I said was obviously not what I said.

This is what you are saying now, lol, however, your original post stated, "Cool opinion" akin to me telling someone "Cool story bro". If this was not your intentions, then why bring up the fact that she is the minority? Or use sarcasm pertaining to her comments (Cool opinion, you clearly disagreed with her opinion). You could have just articulated your sentiments like the second paragraph. You have to admit, the cool opinion,was a bit sarcastic; it was also followed by you stating that she is in the minority. I am not twisting your words; you are just back tracking your comments; i mean, this is not personal, no harm, no foul; I even changed my stance upon hearing the comments in this thread, I can admit to something I did.

[WoW]

I never said that Terri didn't have the right to post in this forum, I simply asked for her to take her biased opinions elsewhere. He or she has the right to say no if he or she pleases.



My opinions are just opinions. Nothing more. Anyone who reads what I have to say can decide for themselves if they agree with them or not, but I'm not holding a knife to anyone's throat and saying that my opinions are absolute. I respect everyone's opinion here, and I'm willing to reconsider my own if the person is convincing enough, but if people have the right to make half thought remarks that are clearly bias and made out to irritate everyone rather than give constructive input, then I also have the right to give my opinion, although in may be a bit blunt. Here is a clear example of why I do what I do:



I mean come on. Krystal is clearly insulting everyone by saying that we're the reason why the game is the way it is. People like this start the cat fight first, so I should have the right to return fire by calling him or her a dumb-ass.



Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

This is definitely a classic example of someone's words being twisted. If you haven't been paying attention, I have been advocating all pet classes getting boosts in all of my arguments. Honestly, I was not even using my reference of Krystal as a minority opinion as a reason for discrediting her opinion. What discredited her opinion was the fact that she gave no substantial evidence as to how our suggestion of allowing pets to be buffed and cured would lead to the games demise.




I was only pointing out the fact that she's one of the few crazy people who are fine with how pet jobs are today, and that she most likely believes that because she doesn't play a pet job as her main class. On the other hand, the closest thing I had said to Beastmaster being a minority was that pet jobs are a minority as a whole in comparison to popular classes like Monk, Bard, Corsair, etc. which makes it difficult for pet jobs to get anything implemented in their favor.



I think you used some sort of transitive property after only reading the bolded part of my comment towards Krystal. You thought that if I used Krystal being a minority to void her opinion then I was basically doing the same to Beastmaster's opinions because they are also considered a minority. However when I said pet jobs have been considered the minority class, it was to point out that people have been using the minority argument to discredit pet jobs receiving any substantial revisions. It was also meant to point out the fact that Krystal is ironically siding with the majority that have been dismantling pet jobs' opinions using the argument that pet classes are only a minority of FFXI players.



Your argument towards me is clearly foul play because no where had I stated, verbatim, that "Beastmasters are a minority" and that I agree that this also made their opinions invalid. I called Krystal the minority opinion because she is among the few people who actually believe that pet jobs are "Fine just the way they are" and it had nothing to do with Beastmaster. It's actually a little sad that you guys picked out the least monumental thing I had said in my argument against Krystal as a way to ironically discredit my opinion. I'm also surprised that you're siding with someone who is saying that they want to see Beastmaster stay the same, but you're entitled to your own opinions. Next time actually read my argument because what you just said I said was obviously not what I said.

I am an objective individual (This does not fly in the pets threads though, lol); for instance, allowing pets to be cured would deem pet food useless; I can agree with her sentiments, to an extent. What is wrong with displaying tolerance, understanding, and reason? I am not going to throw out objectivity because I am a 99 bst, lol.

[Demonjustin]

allowing pets to be cured would deem pet food useless

Well, this is dependent on how they'd do it. Can pets be AoE cured as well? If not that severely helps pet food have a use since WHMs will often be too focused on healing to single target cure pets. Solo food would have a massive use too, such as Dyna, Salvage, and the like. I'm not saying you're wrong but admittedly it depends on a few things and food wouldn't be useless, just not as necessary as it is now.

[Demonjustin]

Or perhaps a simple fix would be to extend the duration of said JAs - maneuvers, steps, Angon, etc. then we don't have to constantly spam the JA during dps time. I was disappointed that so far the reforge sets don't offer duration boosts, maybe reforged Empyrean could have that? Or with the new job points system? (there better be more ways to get JPs on unwanted jobs though ...)
I think I did include the issue of JA delay in my list in an earlier post but no harm reiterating that point.

Increased duration helps some, but not all jobs. Sure, DNC & PUP benefit, but what of DRG & BST for instance? We have to spam reward and completely avoid using breaths when possible because it's such a DPS loss to do so, things like this just can't be done with duration.

[Jinzha]

This is what you are saying now, lol, however, your original post stated, "Cool opinion" akin to me telling someone "Cool story bro". If this was not your intentions, then why bring up the fact that she is the minority? Or use sarcasm pertaining to her comments (Cool opinion, you clearly disagreed with her opinion). You could have just articulated your sentiments like the second paragraph. You have to admit, the cool opinion,was a bit sarcastic; it was also followed by you stating that she is in the minority. I am not twisting your words; you are just back tracking your comments; i mean, this is not personal, no harm, no foul; I even changed my stance upon hearing the comments in this thread, I can admit to something I did.

Oh I do admit that my entire comment towards her had a sarcastic overtone. I mean did you miss the fact that I called her a dumbass? I don't think that I was being subtle about my intentions towards her. When I said cool opinion, I meant it to be a red flag that I didn't agree with her at all. If the only thing you can pull out of my comment towards Krystal is the fact that I called her a minority in this thread, then you're clearly missing the point of my argument because that was only the epidermis. I'm not really interested in bickering about technicalities but if you'd like to, we can do this all day. However, Krystal represents a faction of people who like to poke holes in comments using the common 'World of Warcraft' rhetoric, and personally I'm not ok with that. I think if she wants to make a valid point, then she needs to use real examples and real numbers. This thread is a serious issue that needs serious attention, and people like Krystal find pleasure in dressing up the people who are actually concerned about this topic as complainers and whiners in hopes to demoralize the subject. This thread wouldn't have more that 20 pages of comments if people didn't find a serious need to revamp pet classes as a whole, and the hell if I'm going to watch our opinions get cock blocked because one little princess is afraid of us becoming just another MMO. So if I have to be the bad guy and say it how it is, then so be it. Most of the pet community players want to be able to play whatever job they want in any content and want to be on par with all the other classes, and honestly I don't think that's too much to ask for.

[WoW]

Well, this is dependent on how they'd do it. Can pets be AoE cured as well? If not that severely helps pet food have a use since WHMs will often be too focused on healing to single target cure pets. Solo food would have a massive use too, such as Dyna, Salvage, and the like. I'm not saying you're wrong but admittedly it depends on a few things and food wouldn't be useless, just not as necessary as it is now.

Pet food already has uses; also, a cure is a cure, AOE or single. It makes no sense to exclude aoe; if you are going to cure the pets then allow them to be cured by single or aoe.

I will say this though, you do have a point, pet may food may not become obsolete, i mean, why cure a pet when they have food that can heal for large amounts? Good point. curing pets may be unnecessary imo; why waste mp on a pet whom can be cured with food and dawns? Personally, I bring dawns and a plethora of pet food to battle and my pet is near indestructible on things that do not one-shot him. Also, not sure if whms would welcome the added strain of healing a pet that already has healing capabilities. Good point.

[WoW]

Oh I do admit that my entire comment towards her had a sarcastic overtone. I mean did you miss the fact that I called her a dumbass? I don't think that I was being subtle about my intentions towards her. When I said cool opinion, I meant it to be a red flag that I didn't agree with her at all. If the only thing you can pull out of my comment towards Krystal is the fact that I called her a minority in this thread, then you're clearly missing the point of my argument because that was only the epidermis. I'm not really interested in bickering about technicalities but if you'd like to, we can do this all day. However, Krystal represents a faction of people who like to poke holes in comments using the common 'World of Warcraft' rhetoric, and personally I'm not ok with that. I think if she wants to make a valid point, then she needs to use real examples and real numbers. This thread is a serious issue that needs serious attention, and people like Krystal find pleasure in dressing up the people who are actually concerned about this topic as complainers and whiners in hopes to demoralize the subject. This thread wouldn't have more that 20 pages of comments if people didn't find a serious need to revamp pet classes as a whole, and the hell if I'm going to watch our opinions get cock blocked because one little princess is afraid of us becoming just another MMO. So if I have to be the bad guy and say it how it is, then so be it. Most of the pet community players want to be able to play whatever job they want in any content and want to be on par with all the other classes, and honestly I don't think that's too much to ask for.

You already admitted to your intentions in the post; that is all I was saying, no need to discuss this any further

Edit: Vote up for being honest.

[WoW]

I never said that Terri didn't have the right to post in this forum, I simply asked for her to take her biased opinions elsewhere. He or she has the right to say no if he or she pleases.



My opinions are just opinions. Nothing more. Anyone who reads what I have to say can decide for themselves if they agree with them or not, but I'm not holding a knife to anyone's throat and saying that my opinions are absolute. I respect everyone's opinion here, and I'm willing to reconsider my own if the person is convincing enough, but if people have the right to make half thought remarks that are clearly bias and made out to irritate everyone rather than give constructive input, then I also have the right to give my opinion, although in may be a bit blunt. Here is a clear example of why I do what I do:



I mean come on. Krystal is clearly insulting everyone by saying that we're the reason why the game is the way it is. People like this start the cat fight first, so I should have the right to return fire by calling him or her a dumb-ass.



Again. Seriously? Like really seriously? Cool opinion, but I'm pretty sure she's a minority in this argument. Anyone who is content with pet jobs the way they are are simply content because they don't play pet jobs as a main class. For us who actually take the pet job class seriously, it's easy to realize that pet jobs are not quote on quote "fine the way they are".

Increased duration helps some, but not all jobs. Sure, DNC & PUP benefit, but what of DRG & BST for instance? We have to spam reward and completely avoid using breaths when possible because it's such a DPS loss to do so, things like this just can't be done with duration.

Imo, the job point system is the perfect opportunity for them to boost pet jobs. For instance, a merit that increases ready move dmg or pet critical hit rate. I mean, there are a plethora of possibilities; even give pets a JA or something. I cannot speak on other jobs, I am only a bst, lol.

[Stompa]

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