Solo Accomplishments, Party Barriers, and Enhancing the Community

[radiationbots]

This is not a "design flaw", this is just how our society works. Everyone play/work with like minded people.

yeah, that's why none of the intelligent endgame players are subbed anymore

[Siviard]

Thunderstorm Alacrity, use up all your charges, pop Tabula Rasa (you should have the Argute +2 legs or higher to get 3:30 TR), then use up all your charges from there. Hopefully you got Marches.

You can also bring /RUN to take down the aura so that Lahar is locked out. Nukes help too, and you'd be surprised how much you can contribute.

You can also bring more than one SCH.

Bosses always do 1 regular attack between TP moves, and that's your chance to Alacrity. The biggest danger is stunning a weak spell by accident. Also, you know the move is coming so there's no reason not to be ready.

Really, I know people from all systems who have successfully played SCH for us, either in Legion or in Delve. Depending on lag or your connection, you might not be able to chat log stun, but anybody can stun TP charging animation.

Remember, if we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

You make it sound SOOOOOOOO easy. Why not transfer to Shiva and demonstrate for us? hehe

But again, everything you just said proves my point. Recent endgame content is so flawed that the only way to be able to successfully stun the TP moves and win is to come Scholar with specific gear sets. This leaves out BLM, RDM, etc. or anything that can sub job something with Stun. It HAS to be Scholar or GTFO, right?

Thank you, for proving my point yet again, sir.

[Draylo]

You make it sound SOOOOOOOO easy. Why not transfer to Shiva and demonstrate for us? hehe

But again, everything you just said proves my point. Recent endgame content is so flawed that the only way to be able to successfully stun the TP moves and win is to come Scholar with specific gear sets. This leaves out BLM, RDM, etc. or anything that can sub job something with Stun. It HAS to be Scholar or GTFO, right?

Thank you, for proving my point yet again, sir.

Except you are wrong, and you sound like a terrible player. With double march from a bard and a haste spell, you can stun on BLM or RDM etc. When I do Tojil on SCH, I have the BRD jump to my party and give double march and just make sure the WHM keeps me hasted. I use 0 strategems since my recast timer is up every time he does a WS. You are seriously in denial if you think this content is hard. Just face the facts, you aren't a good player and you want SE to nerf it so you can solo it with your trust NPC. Go play WoW or something and stop asking SE to nerf everything into the ground because you don't use your head to figure the content out.

[detlef]

You make it sound SOOOOOOOO easy. Why not transfer to Shiva and demonstrate for us? hehe

But again, everything you just said proves my point. Recent endgame content is so flawed that the only way to be able to successfully stun the TP moves and win is to come Scholar with specific gear sets. This leaves out BLM, RDM, etc. or anything that can sub job something with Stun. It HAS to be Scholar or GTFO, right?

Thank you, for proving my point yet again, sir.

Have you tried stunning yourself?

[AppropriateName5786]

I remember a thread on bluegartr where people were naming the best stunners on their servers, and a few posts summed up the general reaction. You can find the thread yourself, but some of the comments were basically: "You shouldn't be doing shout-outs to stunners 'cause, you know, stunbotting isn't really a skill." If even the elitist bluegartr community equates SCH stunning to stunbotting, then I'm not the crazy one here.

It's unbelievable that three people in this thread have said that stunning on SCH without mods (i.e. cheating) is simple.

Clearly, its the rest of the 99.5% of the population that has it wrong, and there isn't some kind of list of SCHs on every server that no one will ever let stun again because they let Lahar/spells land for whatever reason. It absolutely goes without saying that every player has a perfect internet connection with 0 latency, combined with perfect reflexes. It's obviously very easy to see when mega bosses are preparing TP moves because it's not like there are flashy WS animations and spells going off all the time that obscure it. Undoubtedly, getting Vanir Cotehardie or Hedera Cotehardie and all the other fastcast gear in the game to minimize stun recast is a walk in the park.

[Byrth]

If Delve were a lag-free environment, stunning would be simple. The bad moves have long charge times and are not remotely difficult to stun. Unfortunately, SE has overstretched their "layer system" servers and Delve is one of the laggiest, packet-dropping-ist, horrible zones in the game. However, botting isn't popular because it fixes any problems. It is popular because it defers responsibility for failure from the SCH to SE or your ISP.


I ran a Legion linkshell that relied on the Stun method and was one of our Scholars. I carried that job through to Tojil and have hand-stunned many Tojil runs. It's not impossible and it's not even difficult. If you are having trouble with your reaction time, try reading this and seeing what you could possibly change:
http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/lab/1...ther%20Factors

[Camate]

Greetings,

I'd like to share a bit of additional information closely related to the topic at hand.

There have been suggestions in the past asking for a system that would allow players to retry content if their attempt was unsuccessful. The development team had been looking into this; however, due to the following reasons the plan was pushed back.

• Party recruitment would still be strict even if there was a retry option
  This mainly has to do with pick-up groups, but even if there was a possibility to retry content, the development team feels that there would essentially be no changes in the way players create recruitment barriers.
  
  
• Battlefield congestion
  There is a concern that players will abuse this feature for grieving or other forms of harassment by occupying a battlefield for long periods of time.

In addition to the above reasons, adding a system like this would require very large-scale changes to just about every battlefield in the game. Considering the effect gained through this change and the speed in which it can be addressed, we feel that it would be more effective to focus on reducing costs associated with entering battlefields while we keep an eye on congestion.

[Raydeus]

I'm going to have to disagree with your assertion that the problem is a community issue and not a gameplay/design issue.

Here's why.

I do believe that the Development Team did well in lowering the total HP of Delve NMs in the fracture based on the number of people in the group was wonderful and it really did help out a bit. However, they did absolutely nothing to the NMs themselves, especially the Mega Bosses. The Mega Bosses still SPAM TP moves and those moves still have the power to destroy a full 18-person alliance. IMHO, that is a serious design flaw. Serious enough to the point that in order to defeat those Mega Bosses, only a select few jobs with very top-of-the-line gear (and 3rd party programs) have a shot at winning. Anything else involving a combination of different jobs? Complete and utter failure 100% of the time. Again, that is a very serious design flaw. NOT a Community problem.

Lets also not forget the very serious problem that is plaguing the 3 pet jobs (BST, SMN, PUP) despite the fact the pet job community has been asking, begging, and pleading for fixes, for ANYTHING that will help their job become wanted in any endgame content, have all fallen on deaf ears. Again, that is a design flaw, which then leads to the community issue.

I'm sorry, but people trying to burn fights and getting owned because they feed the mob endless TP without a strategy is nothing new. It has happened since the beginning of the game and it is a usually a player problem.

(Yes, there are fights that are broken at launch, but they are usually very specific cases that get patched fast most of the times.)

But anyway, since I don't want to post a wall of text the only thing I'll say is that the dev team should post a few videos of every fight about a month after their release where they show a few different party setups beating the fight and without overgearing. So players see that it is actually possible to do it and try to figure things out for their particular groups instead of complaining about it.

This of course is not meant to solve job/gear elitism, but instead to simply show to all the other players that overgearing and job discrimination is not the only way of doing things.

[Siviard]

On SCH, no. I don't have a "Stun Set" or high end gear for it. And anyone I've tried to take with a decently geared SCH or RDM one way or another always seem to have Stun timer down when Lahar goes off, or they Stun Lahar only to have Lahar go off again and they have no way of stunning it.

And @ Draylo you're a known troll so I don't take anything you say seriously at all. You seem to enjoy telling others they suck. Perhaps you're making up for IRL failings of your own? If I were you I'd seek counseling.

@ AppropriateName - I recall also seeing that post on BlueGartr you're referring to. There were also posts in the main Delve information thread on BG that showed screenshots of people openly using Stun Bots.

@ Byrth - I'll take a look at that site when I get a moment. Thank you for at least trying to help.

[Siviard]

Go play WoW or something and stop asking SE to nerf everything into the ground because you don't use your head to figure the content out.

I'm using my head. I'm just not using a bot.