Solo Accomplishments, Party Barriers, and Enhancing the Community

[detlef]

You make it sound SOOOOOOOO easy. Why not transfer to Shiva and demonstrate for us? hehe

But again, everything you just said proves my point. Recent endgame content is so flawed that the only way to be able to successfully stun the TP moves and win is to come Scholar with specific gear sets. This leaves out BLM, RDM, etc. or anything that can sub job something with Stun. It HAS to be Scholar or GTFO, right?

Thank you, for proving my point yet again, sir.

Have you tried stunning yourself?

[AppropriateName5786]

I remember a thread on bluegartr where people were naming the best stunners on their servers, and a few posts summed up the general reaction. You can find the thread yourself, but some of the comments were basically: "You shouldn't be doing shout-outs to stunners 'cause, you know, stunbotting isn't really a skill." If even the elitist bluegartr community equates SCH stunning to stunbotting, then I'm not the crazy one here.

It's unbelievable that three people in this thread have said that stunning on SCH without mods (i.e. cheating) is simple.

Clearly, its the rest of the 99.5% of the population that has it wrong, and there isn't some kind of list of SCHs on every server that no one will ever let stun again because they let Lahar/spells land for whatever reason. It absolutely goes without saying that every player has a perfect internet connection with 0 latency, combined with perfect reflexes. It's obviously very easy to see when mega bosses are preparing TP moves because it's not like there are flashy WS animations and spells going off all the time that obscure it. Undoubtedly, getting Vanir Cotehardie or Hedera Cotehardie and all the other fastcast gear in the game to minimize stun recast is a walk in the park.

[Demonjustin]

While yes it's possible and easy to stun these moves due to animations that stick out, please, don't let this topic run off it's rails.

App was right for sure about the fact that they messed up scaling like with many other things before, where they once again did a simple blanket update and expected a simple little adjustment to HP to be enough to make everything alright whereas that wouldn't be close to enough. They didn't change DEF, EVA, or anything about it's attacks, and while I won't say it matters as much as it once did it still hurts low man groups considerably when you compare it to the BRD Swapping and CORs we used to take. 6-man runs change only the HP, that fact alone means that low-manning relies on much more skilled or more well geared players who can make up for the lack of extra buffs from party members, that's what's excluding people in the end. Had proper scaling been done we wouldn't need to sit here talking about it possibly because the issue may not be nearly as bad, but the fact they thought HP was the only factor standing in our way even while we used GEOs for EVA & DEF Down as well as MEVA and MAcc, let alone 2 SCHs to stun and 2 BRD/COR swapping parties before the fight, is what made it all the worse.

[Olor]

Hello Kitty Online is notoriously grindy though...

[Byrth]

If Delve were a lag-free environment, stunning would be simple. The bad moves have long charge times and are not remotely difficult to stun. Unfortunately, SE has overstretched their "layer system" servers and Delve is one of the laggiest, packet-dropping-ist, horrible zones in the game. However, botting isn't popular because it fixes any problems. It is popular because it defers responsibility for failure from the SCH to SE or your ISP.


I ran a Legion linkshell that relied on the Stun method and was one of our Scholars. I carried that job through to Tojil and have hand-stunned many Tojil runs. It's not impossible and it's not even difficult. If you are having trouble with your reaction time, try reading this and seeing what you could possibly change:
http://biae.clemson.edu/bpc/bp/lab/1...ther%20Factors

[Camate]

Greetings,

I'd like to share a bit of additional information closely related to the topic at hand.

There have been suggestions in the past asking for a system that would allow players to retry content if their attempt was unsuccessful. The development team had been looking into this; however, due to the following reasons the plan was pushed back.

• Party recruitment would still be strict even if there was a retry option
  This mainly has to do with pick-up groups, but even if there was a possibility to retry content, the development team feels that there would essentially be no changes in the way players create recruitment barriers.
  
  
• Battlefield congestion
  There is a concern that players will abuse this feature for grieving or other forms of harassment by occupying a battlefield for long periods of time.

In addition to the above reasons, adding a system like this would require very large-scale changes to just about every battlefield in the game. Considering the effect gained through this change and the speed in which it can be addressed, we feel that it would be more effective to focus on reducing costs associated with entering battlefields while we keep an eye on congestion.

[Calintzpso]

Greetings,

I'd like to share a bit of additional information closely related to the topic at hand.

There have been suggestions in the past asking for a system that would allow players to retry content if their attempt was unsuccessful. The development team had been looking into this; however, due to the following reasons the plan was pushed back.

• Party recruitment would still be strict even if there was a retry option
  This mainly has to do with pick-up groups, but even if there was a possibility to retry content, the development team feels that there would essentially be no changes in the way players create recruitment barriers.
• Battlefield congestion
  There is a concern that players will abuse this feature for grieving or other forms of harassment by occupying a battlefield for long periods of time.

In addition to the above reasons, adding a system like this would require very large-scale changes to just about every battlefield in the game. Considering the effect gained through this change and the speed in which it can be addressed, we feel that it would be more effective to focus on reducing costs associated with entering battlefields while we keep an eye on congestion.

How about if the group fails, they are locked out of the fight attempted in question for 1 vana day? roughly 56mins or less depending on when they entered/lost the fight to rethink their strategies, And let them keep their Orb/KI that was used to enter/attempt the battle.

Make it pretty, Slap a Status icon on it too and call it something catchy like

Marshalling or Determination: Your valiant attempts in battle have not gone unfettered, use this time to accumulate your knowledge and experiences in battle to try again.

[Siviard]

On SCH, no. I don't have a "Stun Set" or high end gear for it. And anyone I've tried to take with a decently geared SCH or RDM one way or another always seem to have Stun timer down when Lahar goes off, or they Stun Lahar only to have Lahar go off again and they have no way of stunning it.

And @ Draylo you're a known troll so I don't take anything you say seriously at all. You seem to enjoy telling others they suck. Perhaps you're making up for IRL failings of your own? If I were you I'd seek counseling.

@ AppropriateName - I recall also seeing that post on BlueGartr you're referring to. There were also posts in the main Delve information thread on BG that showed screenshots of people openly using Stun Bots.

@ Byrth - I'll take a look at that site when I get a moment. Thank you for at least trying to help.

[detlef]

On SCH, no. I don't have a "Stun Set" or high end gear for it. And anyone I've tried to take with a decently geared SCH or RDM one way or another always seem to have Stun timer down when Lahar goes off, or they Stun Lahar only to have Lahar go off again and they have no way of stunning it.

And @ Draylo you're a known troll so I don't take anything you say seriously at all. You seem to enjoy telling others they suck. Perhaps you're making up for IRL failings of your own? If I were you I'd seek counseling.

@ AppropriateName - I recall also seeing that post on BlueGartr you're referring to. There were also posts in the main Delve information thread on BG that showed screenshots of people openly using Stun Bots.

@ Byrth - I'll take a look at that site when I get a moment. Thank you for at least trying to help.

This is my last post on the topic since it is quite a derail. Check out this thread, it'll give you an idea about what kind of gear you need:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/32...ars-education/

Pay close attention to the discussion on recasts, and keep in mind that SCH should be getting Haste and Marches. The key pieces of gear are Apamajas II and relic feet. Also, if you bring two SCH you really shouldn't have any issues at all because they can cover for each other. For most pickup groups I'd recommend this because you can run out of strats if you solo stun depending on the quality of your group. Like anything, it takes practice.

Siviard and AppropriateName, I suggest you actually try things out yourself before stating that something is impossible to do without botting. Or at least read up on it a little more.

[AppropriateName5786]

Siviard and AppropriateName, I suggest you actually try things out yourself before stating that something is impossible to do without botting. Or at least read up on it a little more.

Posting about this topic does not automatically mean that I, or anyone else, am directly affected by it. I stunned Apademak a LOT back when my friends and I were working on our Empyrean weapons, but I no longer play my SCH that way because I relocated to another country and my latency is an insurmountable barrier. That is, in my situation, not being able to stun has nothing to do with skill.

The reason I posted and felt strongly about this (and it is very much related to the OP's topic, points 2 and 3) is because the way stun SCH is required for Delve I bosses is bad content design and effectively cuts off a majority of the playerbase. I have no stake in this as I can still get into Delve runs, but it would be great if things were different because this issue affects a lot of players. If you could show that webpage you linked (whatever it's about) to every ambitious SCH left in the game, it could be useful, but suggesting it for me is just barking up the wrong tree. I'm not the one stunning or missing stuns.